Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Wed, Jan 30 blogging day 3 new topic




Listen or read the following:
New topic: Remaining ethical in medical research. Lots to ponder here. Please remain focused on the material, not the presenter. Do some outside research, if needed. You must have textual evidence, in order to receive full credit. As you listen, take notes, much as you would in a college lecture. Due my midnight tonight.  I put the transcript below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOBlWaH-Owo

As previously, you will respond with insightful comments, questions, tangential information to this topic. This will be a minimum of 200 words. Make sure you identify yourself, and naturally, take care with your grammar, syntax and spelling.


Transcript:

I'd like to share with you the story of one of my patients called Celine.

Celine is a housewife and lives in a rural district of Cameroon in west Central Africa. Six years ago, at the time of her HIV diagnosis, she was recruited to participate in the clinical trial which was running in her health district at the time. When I first met Celine, a little over a year ago, she had gone for 18 months without any antiretroviral therapy, and she was very ill. She told me that she stopped coming to the clinic when the trial ended because she had no money for the bus fare and was too ill to walk the 35-kilometer distance. Now during the clinical trial, she'd been given all her antiretroviral drugs free of charge, and her transportation costs had been covered by the research funds. All of these ended once the trial was completed, leaving Celine with no alternatives. She was unable to tell me the names of the drugs she'd received during the trial, or even what the trial had been about. I didn't bother to ask her what the results of the trial were because it seemed obvious to me that she would have no clue. Yet what puzzled me most was Celine had given her informed consent to be a part of this trial, yet she clearly did not understand the implications of being a participant or what would happen to her once the trial had been completed.
Now, I have shared this story with you as an example of what can happen to participants in the clinical trial when it is poorly conducted. Maybe this particular trial yielded exciting results. Maybe it even got published in a high-profile scientific journal. Maybe it would inform clinicians around the world on how to improve on the clinical management of HIV patients. But it would have done so at a price to hundreds of patients who, like Celine, were left to their own devices once the research had been completed.
I do not stand here today to suggest in any way that conducting HIV clinical trials in developing countries is bad. On the contrary, clinical trials are extremely useful tools, and are much needed to address the burden of disease in developing countries. However, the inequalities that exist between richer countries and developing countries in terms of funding pose a real risk for exploitation, especially in the context of externally-funded research. Sadly enough, the fact remains that a lot of the studies that are conducted in developing countries could never be authorized in the richer countries which fund the research.
I'm sure you must be asking yourselves what makes developing countries, especially those in sub-Saharan Africa, so attractive for these HIV clinical trials? Well, in order for a clinical trial to generate valid and widely applicable results, they need to be conducted with large numbers of study participants and preferably on a population with a high incidence of new HIV infections. Sub-Saharan Africa largely fits this description, with 22 million people living with HIV, an estimated 70 percent of the 30 million people who are infected worldwide. Also, research within the continent is a lot easier to conduct due to widespread poverty, endemic diseases and inadequate health care systems. A clinical trial that is considered to be potentially beneficial to the population is more likely to be authorized, and in the absence of good health care systems, almost any offer of medical assistance is accepted as better than nothing. Even more problematic reasons include lower risk of litigation, less rigorous ethical reviews, and populations that are willing to participate in almost any study that hints at a cure. As funding for HIV research increases in developing countries and ethical review in richer countries become more strict, you can see why this context becomes very, very attractive.
The high prevalence of HIV drives researchers to conduct research that is sometimes scientifically acceptable but on many levels ethically questionable. How then can we ensure that, in our search for the cure, we do not take an unfair advantage of those who are already most affected by the pandemic? I invite you to consider four areas I think we can focus on in order to improve the way in which things are done.
The first of these is informed consent. Now, in order for a clinical trial to be considered ethically acceptable, participants must be given the relevant information in a way in which they can understand, and must freely consent to participate in the trial. This is especially important in developing countries, where a lot of participants consent to research because they believe it is the only way in which they can receive medical care or other benefits. Consent procedures that are used in richer countries are often inappropriate or ineffective in a lot of developing countries. For example, it is counterintuitive to have an illiterate study participant, like Celine, sign a lengthy consent form that they are unable to read, let alone understand. Local communities need to be more involved in establishing the criteria for recruiting participants in clinical trials, as well as the incentives for participation. The information in these trials needs to be given to the potential participants in linguistically and culturally acceptable formats.
The second point I would like for you to consider is the standard of care that is provided to participants within any clinical trial. Now, this is subject to a lot of debate and controversy. Should the control group in the clinical trial be given the best current treatment which is available anywhere in the world? Or should they be given an alternative standard of care, such as the best current treatment available in the country in which the research is being conducted? Is it fair to evaluate a treatment regimen which may not be affordable or accessible to the study participants once the research has been completed? Now, in a situation where the best current treatment is inexpensive and simple to deliver, the answer is straightforward. However, the best current treatment available anywhere in the world is often very difficult to provide in developing countries. It is important to assess the potential risks and benefits of the standard of care which is to be provided to participants in any clinical trial, and establish one which is relevant for the context of the study and most beneficial for the participants within the study.
That brings us to the third point I want you think about: the ethical review of research. An effective system for reviewing the ethical suitability of clinical trials is primordial to safeguard participants within any clinical trial. Unfortunately, this is often lacking or inefficient in a lot of developing countries. Local governments need to set up effective systems for reviewing the ethical issues around the clinical trials which are authorized in different developing countries, and they need to do this by setting up ethical review committees that are independent of the government and research sponsors. Public accountability needs to be promoted through transparency and independent review by nongovernmental and international organizations as appropriate.
The final point I would like for you to consider tonight is what happens to participants in the clinical trial once the research has been completed. I think it is absolutely wrong for research to begin in the first place without a clear plan for what would happen to the participants once the trial has ended. Now, researchers need to make every effort to ensure that an intervention that has been shown to be beneficial during a clinical trial is accessible to the participants of the trial once the trial has been completed. In addition, they should be able to consider the possibility of introducing and maintaining effective treatments in the wider community once the trial ends. If, for any reason, they feel that this might not be possible, then I think they should have to ethically justify why the clinical trial should be conducted in the first place.
Now, fortunately for Celine, our meeting did not end in my office. I was able to get her enrolled into a free HIV treatment program closer to her home, and with a support group to help her cope. Her story has a positive ending, but there are thousands of others in similar situations who are much less fortunate.
Although she may not know this, my encounter with Celine has completely changed the way in which I view HIV clinical trials in developing countries, and made me even more determined to be part of the movement to change the way in which things are done.
I believe that every single person listening to me tonight can be part of that change. If you are a researcher, I hold you to a higher standard of moral conscience, to remain ethical in your research, and not compromise human welfare in your search for answers. If you work for a funding agency or pharmaceutical company, I challenge you to hold your employers to fund research that is ethically sound. If you come from a developing country like myself, I urge you to hold your government to a more thorough review of the clinical trials which are authorized in your country. Yes, there is a need for us to find a cure for HIV, to find an effective vaccine for malaria, to find a diagnostic tool that works for T.B., but I believe that we owe it to those who willingly and selflessly consent to participate in these clinical trials to do this in a humane way.
Thank you.

150 comments:

  1. Within 5 minutes of watching Boghuma Kabisen Titanji speak, I found my mind racing at the moral gray areas in which some of the powers that be operate. She briefly spoke of a patient named Celine, who at the end of a clinical trial was SOL as far as recieving medical attention. She had no means to travel to where treatment was, much less pay for said treatment; the trial covered those costs. Boghuma goes on to say that this isn't unexpected, or rare. It sounds to me like the main reason this clinical trial happened where it happened was because it was cost effective. South Saharan Africa has minimal health care, a lot of people who have contracted HIV, and a large number of these people are far less than scholars when it comes to medical treatment. The reason this makes them ideal for a clinical trial, is that there is a very low chance that they will reject treatment of any kind. They have almost no clue of what they're agreeing to, they just hope that it results in them getting healthier. That being said, such a person is an ideal lab rat. The doctors at these clinics can do almost anything they like to their patients, because their patients won't object, and in the even they do, they are free to leave because there's 22 million people willing to take their place. I'm not saying that these people have been experimented on, because I have no way of knowing that. But based on the information I've been given, it would seem as though their ignorance and desperation is being taken advantage of. To return to my point; moral gray areas, I wonder out loud, "If a cause as noble as curing HIV can lead to something as alarming as human guinea pigs being used for research and tossed to the side to fend for themselves once they've exceeded their usefulness, how (excuse my french and run on sentence) fucked are we as a race? Why are clinical trials being run because they let those running them get away with more, for less, rather than what would SEEM to be the obvious reason, because of a desire to cure disease?" My mind races because, much like the deaths of 12,000 people I don't know in a place I've scarcely heard of, this atrocity just doesn't seem that outlandish to me. Even as I type, I reason to myself, I know I'm not a monster, I know I'm not dead inside. But I am in no way shape or form compelled to do much about the situation at hand. I only know about it because I don't want to fail. But how naive am I, how rosy are my spectacles, that I feel no compulsion to act? While I don't necessarily endorse the abuse of people for the sake of gain, I'd be a liar if I said I don't understand. And for me, understanding is cause enough for concern.
    -Malikk

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    1. While I find myself excited at the prospect of analyzing and being analyzed by my peers for a grade, something I'd do in leisure, in the back of my mind I wonder if the conclusions I'm drawing about myself in my responses are conclusions I'm prepared for. I will do my best to remain honest in these responses, but am I the only one who sees the gravity in responding to things like this? Ms. Parker, you are blowing my mind with all this self reflection I seem to be doing as a result of your assignments. Yet wary though I be, I find myself lost in the excitement of being placed in the cusp of my comfort zone and the truths I may or may not wish to know.

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    2. By the way, is is not one of my 100 word responses.

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    3. You're delving into the world of paradoxes, how to reconcile value systems. Moral apathy is another term for cowardice or self-centered egotism. I know this is a bit cliched, but try using your non-thinking mind.

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    4. Though I agree that the condition that the participants are left in after the study can be tragic, I am not as bothered about these moral gray areas that you refer to in your response. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji references in her speech the incentives that these governments have to allow medical trials. According to her, without strong preexisting health care or medical treatment, it seems to the governments that allowing these temporary treatments to their citizens would be better than nothing. I am inclined to agree. It isn't fair to provide the participants with as little information about the study as is common practice, and the lack of corporate morals is clear in the lack of follow up with test subjects, but isn't something better than nothing? In any case, these people were able to receive treatment and/or medication for at least some period of time. It is clear that reforms must be made in order to better inform and protect the participant in these medical trials, with that I agree. I do think though, that any medication provided where it was previously unavailable is a good thing.

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    5. In response to Ryder:
      I agree with not being so bothered about the "moral gray areas", assuming that is testing without complete informed consent, being left to their own devices, etc. I agree with your statement that something is better than nothing. The speaker herself noted that it is extremely difficult to get these kinds of medications to developing countries in the first place, and so conducting these trials is one way of doing that, which is why the governments so often agree. I understand that leaving people treatment-less after being treated for some time is wrong, but I have to wonder to myself, that if the people were actually informed and yet under the same circumstances, would they choose to not be treated? All in all I agree that obvious reforms would need to be enacted. There is a lot of politics involved here that make these "moral gray areas" so...well, gray.

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  2. Briana Jones
    My first thought of this video when I completely listened to it was REALLY? WTF. I got irate when having any thought about what Boghuma Kabisen Titanji stated in this video about remaining ethical in the search for a cure. This cure that had trials mentioned in the video was for HIV specifically. This patient name Celine was probably one out of many that was hard to keep count of to be a victim of poorly conducted trials to find cures for diseases. Not only were the patients left behind when trials were done but also considered not worthy enough to be given the best treatment to see if it actually could be cured. The rich countries are treated better than poor mainly because of money. The reasons for why they are done in certain areas are very disturbing because I thought we are all equal because we are all human beings and no one should be treated in such way. I strongly believe no one wants to be mistreated for no apparent reason. The reasons for being done in Sub Saharan Africa are large population, high number of people infected, “widespread poverty, endemic diseases and inadequate health care systems.” Countries that are more advance increase funding for research and ethical review is stricter because the society is in order with government having the obligation to protect its people. The people having the trials conducted in such areas give reasons that are considered beneficial for it to happen and are easily authorized. A top reason for it being there is it’s considered medical care even though it’s not; therefore the thought is better to accept this assistance than have nothing. These people are being taking advantage of because problematic reasons that are “lower risk of litigation, less rigorous ethical reviews, and populations that are willing to participate in almost any study that hints a cure.” We all would agree to find a cure for diseases that make pandemics but the results of doing so causes another issue. Her four things to be enhanced to make the trials acceptable are improve inform consent with not playing on the people’s intelligence, if treatment is going to be given then it should be the best, effective systems in place to review the treatment, and a clear plan of helping the patients after trials are accomplished. A humane way is needed to be found and may be finally cures actually could be found.

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    1. I totally agree with you Briana, when the video first started I was not immediately interested in what she was talking about. But then she mentioned that the patients that were treated were left with nothing after the trials of treatment were finished. Like you said “The rich countries are treated better than poor mainly because of money. The reasons for why they are done in certain areas are very disturbing because I thought we are all equal because we are all human beings and no one should be treated in such way". No one deserves to be left to live without treatment just because they aren’t able to afford the costs of treatment. If someone is being treated for this disease then they should continue to get treatment until a cure is found or until they are able to live without a serious illness. I totally agree with your response, the only thing is you spelled "irritated" wrong lol but it’s okay. And once I started reading this I automatically felt your frustrations by the way you started off your response. Overall you did a good job.

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  3. Shaquan Leach
    In my opinion the people having clinical trials conducted in such poor areas of the world give reasons that are considered beneficial for it to happen and therefore easily authorized. A top reason for it being there is it’s considered medical care even though it’s not; therefore the thought is better to accept this assistance than have nothing at all. These people are being taking advantage of because problematic reasons, such as “lower risk of litigation, less rigorous ethical reviews, and populations that are willing to participate in almost any study that hints a cure.’’ This is able to give them some type of divine hope. Also, that bring on another problematic issue: ‘’the standard of care to the participants in the clinical trials. This is subject and debt to the control group in the clinical trial.’’ Should they be giving the best treatments in the world or the best clinical treatment the country that is conducting the trial has to offer?’’

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    1. Briana Jones replies to Shaquan Leach
      You make me exasperated and annoyed because you clearly are being lazy and not putting the effort into the blog posts that are about important issues. If you’re not going to take the time to take it serious then don’t do it because it makes me speechless for a moment. But then I’m quickly over the speechless moment and I just want to curse you out. It may not have anything to do with you but we are some that could possible help in some sort of way. It seems that you saying, “In my opinion…” and “This is able to give them some type of divine hope” are the only statements from you. I just feel that you’re not in your own writing and how is that possible. I have nothing in your blog post that makes me agree with you because that was in the video already and I stated what I had to say about the video. Next time just do better because I believe you can.

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  4. This is just wrong. So wrong. These people who live in Sub-Saharan Africa who are affected by HIV are being taken advantage of. Its almost cruel. Informed consent my foot. If these people who they are bringing in for the "trial" are not being properly informed of what it all entails, then they shouldn't be subjected to sign a piece of paper they don't understand. Obviously, they're not going to turn down a chance to be cured. This is any scientist's dream. The perfect subject. An infected person who can't say no giving them the chance to try anything and everything. I mean, how is that safe? If you are a doctor of sorts, someone who is supposed to care about your patients since you are responsible for them, it would make sense that you would be careful about what you are doing and make sure any subjects are fully aware of the trial, the possible outcomes, the possible side effects, everything. If they aren't aware, they're being given a possible false hope. And that's not ok. Trials shouldn't be conducted via what's easiest. They should be conducted in the way of what's right. This is quite the opposite of humanistic.

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    1. I completely agree with what Hannah said. This video is very informative and it shows how wrong clinical treatments can be. The fact that the people how really need the help and won't turn it down are being taken advantage of and that's not fair or morally right at all. This isn't as safe as people would think and the only people that seem to be benefiting are the sponsorers and scientist that receive the data. I also think that trials needed to be conducted in the right way or not at all but that's how the participants end up harmed more than helped.

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    2. Yes Hannah!!! “Trials shouldn't be conducted via what's easiest. They should be conducted in the way of what's right” I completely agree with everything you said. The false hope of the patients. Doing the trials the proper way is something that needs to be addressed. This is exactly what I got out of this video. Even if the trial they are conducting is proven to not help with the cure/ prevention of HIV and AIDS. I still believe that the pharmaceutical companies should be responsible to help the patients in whatever way possible even if it means supply a drug to them afterwards that is already proven to help.

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    3. In response to Hannah, Sam, Erin:
      I don't really think the point of this speech was to convey the immoral implications about the tests themselves, but rather the way certain companies and organizations were going about it. They test these people, without their true "informed consent". I honestly think this is okay, however only under the circumstance that they will not be cut off from treatment and left to their own devices. I think it is much easier said than done when researches are trying to help people understand and agree to take part in these trials. In this case, something is better than nothing. I think the tests themselves were fine, and it is important to gather research in order to gain more knowledge and in turn help more people. Yes, it may be "any scientists dream", but they're not exactly experimenting, if you remember. They're TREATING. It's the fact that they are void of the treatments after that make the testing so inhumane.My problem is the simply the cause- I wish the whole point was to help the people who needed it the most, genuinely.

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  5. I think that this was a good video that shows a behind the scenes look at what happens to people after they agree to become ‘test dummies’ for a HIV trial. I think that the story of Celine was a good one and it showed that there isn’t all good behind HIV treatment trials and there are situations that don’t end off as well as people think. The four main areas that Titanji talked about in the video were valid ones that also brought up really good points. I agreed with her when she said that the participants should be completely informed about the treatments that they would be receiving before they sign over consent. I also think that plans should already be set for the participants after the trials are over because like Celine, many of them just go back to being sick because they can’t afford the medicines that they were receiving while they were in the trial. Clinical trials are mainly done in poorer countries because they are a useful too to help control diseases and I think that’s a good aspect but I also believe that there are a lot of flaws in these programs that should be addressed before they continue trials in these developing countries.

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  6. Zachary Jaeckel-Rizzo
    Mrs. Parker
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    30 January 2013

    When I listened to Boghuma Kabisen Titanji talk about one of her patients, Celine, really shocked me. It was weird to think about poorly conducted, and supervised clinical trials. Completely unlike the last Ted X talk, I felt compelled to think deeper into Boghuma Kabisen Titanji’s topic. Exploring the grey areas of these trails was very hard. Is the outcome worth risking many trail members worth it? Is it ethical to not research and leave things as is to spare possible test members? Funding towards stabilizing countries is helping this, but the research to be ethical should inform the participants so they have the pertinent information, but when members are illiterate, like Celine, it is counter intuitive to have her sign a long consent form. Hearing how the Ethical Review of studies is secondary in trials, especially jarring, because the results are more important then the study members. Her last point makes a great point, connecting to what will happen to the trail members, after the trial ends. I completely agree that if the test will leave the participants at risk, should most defiantly be reviewed to see the validity of the actual study and see if losses are worthwhile. In review of this talk, my mind still races, thinking about some moral errors that she might have not brought up, and how we can change things to make these clinical trials more morally correct, while staying as effective and humane.

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  7. I found this rather hard to pay attention to. I don’t know if it was the dragged out boring dialect she was using or her accent that overall just distracted me from the actual topic of HIV. Although this is a topic we do need to raise awareness on, it should be brought about in a different tone rather than boring people to death. I did agree with Boghuma Kabisen Titanji when she claimed “we need to generate a working HIV clinical trial in places like Sub-Saharan Africa, where 22 million people live with HIV. “ There are so many people who suffer like Celine, and cannot afford the treatments that help them feel better. They cannot even afford bus faire to get them to the clinics. Hearing about this makes me sad but does not directly reach out to me. I do believe that we can help out but she did not elaborate on how we can. I did not connect to this as well as the other video because I personally do not know what the feeling is like to suffer from HIV or to know someone who does, where as I have known people to go off to war and can relate to Giovanni’s story more.

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    1. Tara to Maeve
      YES. I agree that it was sad to hear about these people who never know the results of the test they participated in. I don't think it's fair that they are just cut off from treatment when the trial is over because they can't access it anymore. It was sad but it didn't make me emotional. I felt that I couldn't relate with this subject and speech. I thought Giovanni's speech was much easier to connect to as well. Yesterday I said that I don't know what it's like to have to part from your child or see a tank coming down the street. So although I couldn't connect to Giovanni's story in that sense, she still made it relatable to someone our age. I really didn't think Boghuma Kabisen Titanji did much to reach out to her audience.

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    2. This is a very sad story, one heard too often. But what I can't understand about people's responses is how we're all "sad" but not "emotional" per say and we may be moved to help, but she didn't say how we could. If you really were moved, you wouldn't need her to. You would do your own research to possibly find something close to you. Its everywhere. Google it. Hooray modern technology and easy access to information via the internet. Why do people have to pick on the tone of someone's voice or their delivery? I admit, it can help if there is a good delivery and the tone is engaging, but that's not the main focus. The focus is what's being spoken about. Listen to what she's saying, not how she's saying it.

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    3. I agree with some of the statements you're making Maeve. But what i didn't understand was how her having an accent and talking in a "boring" tone had anything to do with the story. Regardless of how she is speaking the subject about AIDS is going to be serious. I don't really know how you could explain AIDS to someone in a fun way, that doesn't make any sense. Saying that just makes it seem like you just don't care about the subject.

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    4. Hannah I believe she did inform us how to help and that was by making us feel for the victims of the trials. I think she wanted us to feel so overwhelmed with emotion that we would go out and do something, anything. Become a medical researcher who finds a cure, a doctor who administers the cure or a politician who fights for the rights of those who need a cure. Whatever role you can play in helping those in need do it. If it means donating your time money, or efforts, do it because everything counts.

      ~Sidnee McDonald

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  8. When I first heard this story I could only shake my head. This hits close to home as someone in my family experimented with medicine in the past, but we were lucky enough to be in a first world country where things like this were left in the past and we knew what his medication would do for him. We were also lucky that the medication was affordable for us after everything was said and done. Those in sub-Saharan African countries aren't as fortunate and many who conduct these trials don't do anything about it. These trials will help find new ways to treat HIV and other diseases but it's done by exploiting people by giving them what they need for 18 months and leave them be after. Test dummies, much? Those in these countries that are able to say something should hold their governments accountable and ask for them to set a standard of care when it comes to these things because even if these medical firms fix the highly problematic process of going about these trials, there are still factors in different countries that prevent people from getting the best care they can get. Whether it be the best for their country or the best in the world.

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  9. Matt Rapoza

    Ms. Parker

    Journalism

    30 January 2013



    While listening to Boghuma Kabisen Titanji speak of the clinical trial that her patient, Celine, was a part of, the detail that stood out to me the most was that Celine was left completely in the dark about the purpose and methods of the trial. It horrifies me that as soon as the research had been completed, Celine and many others like her were “left to there own devices,” not knowing the results of the trial, or even having the access to medical care after the experiments were completed. How can research projects justify instilling false hope in the ill, simply to seize it after they are confident that their work will be published, or even used in domestic clinics. The idea of using a population, devastated by poverty, endemic diseases and inadequate healthcare systems, simply to test clinical methods that will never be seen in those particular areas sickens me. Researches are basically working to ensure that their own population will never feel the problems that Sub-Saharan Africans face on a daily basis, however, they are not working to fix the plethora of problem in the places that are devastated by the pandemic. The fact that individuals readily volunteer to be used as human guinea pigs truly illustrates how desperate they are for medical attention, as they feel that it is their only chance to receive treatment. Unfortunately, these primarily undereducated individuals are prone to mandatory contracts that take skilled lawyers to decipher, binding them to experiments that may appear scientifically acceptable, but are truly ethically questionable. To accelerate their inhumane treatment, they are instilled with the hope of cure only to be crushed and left on their own when the research is completed.

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    1. It truly is sad that the participants, like Celine, were left in a position like this after the study was finished. It's sad that, while in our 1st world country, we can be given information on the the drugs effects, and what to expect, but they couldn't have such luxuries, which would seem inhumane to be left with out. and so in that way they shouldn't be luxuries, but necessities, and provided at the consent of the test.

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  10. Having already typed out this entire comment and having this amazingly terrible Mac delete the entire thing, i am going to make this brief.
    I personally found that this story would have a much larger affect on listeners than the one from yesterday because wars and genocides have happened before but we have never seen such abusive and disgusting treatment of medical patients. This is a relatively new occurrence to us and may shock some more delicate first world minds. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji also gives us a personal example of friend of hers that was practically abandoned by her doctors. "She had no money for the bus fare and was too ill to walk". This statement in particular stuck out to me as i envisioned a lone and helplessly sick human being, forced to fend for herself. All in all i was not directly affected by the piece, but i completely support the message behind it.
    -Joe

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    1. Briana Jones replies to Swag Master 69 (Joe)
      Oh no, that is very awful I’m pretty sure it was a lovely piece of writing. But this one that is brief has taken my interest because I know that it still will make sense. It gives me something to ponder because the way you stated it was intellectual. I personally was effected by both because they are now brought to my attention and they remain in my mind. But I will say that I was more surprised hearing what was spoken about the trials of discovering a cure for HIV. I knew there was mistreatment because humans can never carrying on in life in a humane way. I agree that listening to what she said I got images in my head of the situation that is pitiful. I was somewhat impacted by this video and the other one because it makes my mind even broadened and I am thankful for that.

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    2. Joe I am in full agreement with you. Genocide is not acceptable but it is predictably being that the human race has committed some extreme of genocide in every century. The genocide of the Africans, Jews, Native Americans, and so many more are things we have learned since elementary school, basically people use violence to kill a massive amount of people for no reason. Scientist tricking the sick into believing that they are receiving treatment that will possible cure them when in the reality they are just being used as human guinea pigs. One word sums this up, heartless. Now I’m not saying clinical trials that give people false hope are worst then genocide but it is something that is not mention as much as genocide.

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    3. I agree with your opening statement saying that this video had a bigger impact than the video we watched monday. This video was very important, in my own words i say that this presentation "EXPOSED" medical facilities who use humans as test rats. War and Genocides are no better but it is sick that the people that are suppose to help us and care for us are using us, then in return when they are finished that's that; no more helping or medicines or treatments. I definitely believe in the message and also would like to see moe situations like this to be focused on.

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    4. I agree. This TED talk by Boghuma Kabisen Titanji was very informative and her speech shed light on the medical injustices in Africa and other third world countries. Doctors are supposed to be trustworthy and for these medical professionals to take advantage of advantage of people who truly need their help is sickening. I like the comparison to the TED talk from by Janine di Giovanni. Though war and genocide are gruesome, they are not new are have been happening since the beginning of time.

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  11. I must say this video is one of the most controversial videos I have ever seen on the HIV and AIDS epidemic in Africa truly opened my eyes. When watching this video I could not help but think about the clinical trail conducted on African American males in America. Where the males apart of the trail were not aware that they weren’t receiving treatment but just being observed. This video may help to confirm the rumors that the HIV and AIDs viruses came about from scientist conducting trails on Africans. The reason why is because if a scientist wants to conduct a trail on a human being and is conducting the trail just to see what happens and not to actually come up with a cure then maybe they would be so heartless to event a disease that has no cure. It shouldn’t matter if you are person from a third world country or a person from a wealth country you deserve the same natural rights as any individual and that is the right to live. With that being said these HIV and AIDs trails being conduct should inform each participants about what exactly is taking place. At the same time I am not saying don’t take risk in medicine, risks lead to cures. But be ethical in whatever you do.

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      I must say this video is one of the most controversial videos I have ever seen on the HIV and AIDS epidemic in Africa truly opened my eyes. When watching this video I could not help but think about the clinical trial conducted on African American males in America. Where the males apart of the trail were not aware that they weren’t receiving treatment but just being observed. This video may help to confirm the rumors that the HIV and AIDs viruses came about from scientist conducting trails on Africans. The reason why is because if a scientist wants to conduct a trial on a human being and is conducting the trial just to see what happens and not to actually come up with a cure then maybe they would be so heartless to event a disease that has no cure. It shouldn’t matter if you are person from a third world country or a person from a wealth country you deserve the same natural rights as any individual and that is the right to live. With that being said these HIV and AIDs trails being conduct should inform each participants about what exactly is taking place. At the same time I am not saying don’t take risk in medicine, risks lead to cures. But be ethical in whatever you do

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    2. I agree with you Sidnee. "With that being said these HIV and AIDs trails being conduct should inform each participants about what exactly is taking place" is exactly the same thing I was thinking. I also agree with your statement that everyone has the right to live no matter if your from a wealthy family or a third world country. Although some third world countries rule by the amount of wealth the person has. Im not sure but I thinks its called fuedalism.

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    3. This type of class work really lends itself to controversy, and though I try to avoid being argumentative, I find it hard to evade responding to certain things that I disagree with. Sidnee, I do agree that there are a lot of negative effects that can come from this type of medical trial and error, and that steps need to be taken to ensure that those involved in these trials are better educated, protected and cared for after their service. You are correct in questioning the morals of the corporations that run these tests, and I respect your understanding of the need for risk to find cures. There are probably a great deal of experiments run by scientists around the world that would not live up to either your or my ethical standards, but you seem to have a far deeper distrust in those scientists than myself. Unless I have misunderstood, it seems as though you support a theory that states that the AIDS virus came about through scientific experiments that were done on Africans. You cited studies conducted on black men in the U.S. that began in the early part of the 20th century. Mind you, these studies were administered in an era when blacks still had considerably less social and political power. We can be reasonably certain that these tests were administered by white scientists with little regard for the well being of their test subjects because of their race. When I first read the bit about scientists conducting experiments on Africans, I pictured white men. Human history includes a significant track record of white people treating black people poorly. We have all been taught this, and it is still visible in today's society. I know that it has been ingrained into both of our consciousnesses, and I was just curious (this is not the point of my response) whether when regarding that theory, you too, picture white man as the bad guy, or in this case, the creator of AIDS. (It really doesn't matter; it was just a musing of mine.)
      I do want to clarify though, that there has been significant evidence proving the origin of HIV and AIDS in chimpanzees since at least 1999. In certain communities of chimpanzees, up to 44% of the population has been found to carry SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus), the precursor to HIV in humans. This is not suggest that Africans were having sex with monkeys, as is popularly spread around, rather that they were hunted and killed, passing the virus to humans in this manner. Now, this doesn’t mean that virtually half of the chimpanzees around the world are infected with a chimp specific type of AIDS. In fact, SIV has no negative effects on chimpanzees. The virus becomes an issue when we compare the chimpanzee and human species. I do not want to start a debate about evolution, but it stands that humans and chimpanzees have genetic codes that share about 98% of the same material. Whether this is coincidence is not for me to decide. It is the similarity between our species, though, that allowed the virus to make the leap, and the subtle difference of 2% that allowed it to become deadly in humans. HIV and AIDS have pretty definitively been traced back to chimpanzees. I hope that that can provide you some relief, knowing that it wasn’t a sick (screwed up) human scientist that first created this disease. I don’t mean to attack your post; I am just very interested in this subject material. I’ve seen a lot of cruel posts going up and I don’t want to be a part of that, with the exception of a response that I posted to George. Anyway, I felt like I should make it long and really speak my mind because I forgot to post last night. So thanks.

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  12. Cori Cotto
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    In my opinion, what this reporter is saying about clinical trials in Africa is that their patients are not being properly taken care of. They may be taken care of well for a short amount of time but the people in charge of the trials have no interest in what happens to the patients afterwards, which seems rather unfair to me. The amount of help that you receive while ill should not determine where you or your country rank on the rich to poor scale. Personally, I was not aware that this was going on in Africa and it makes me sad to know that people with HIV and other diseases are not getting the proper treatment that they need, especially in Africa, with 22 million people with HIV there. She states that researchers should be maintaining effective treatments for patients once the trials end. Sure, the treatments work while the trials are still going but what happens when they end? The patients eventually die. It’s as if there was no treatment for them in the first place. That wastes time and money, money that Africa could be using to treat every single patient as they should be treated, disregarding their class rank.

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    1. I also think that every patient in Africa or anywhere else in the world who is suffering from this illness should receive the same treatment. No matter what the price is. I don’t think there should be any trials of treatment; the treatment should last until a cure is found or until this person is able to live without the illness being so serious. Like you said “They may be taken care of well for a short amount of time but the people in charge of the trials have no interest in what happens to the patients afterwards, which seems rather unfair to me." I agree with this as well , I think that they are taking care of the patients until the trials are over , and once that trial is over they don’t care if the patients live or not. They are using the people in Africa as their test dummies to hopefully find a cure for this disease. I also was not aware that these types of clinics and treatment trials were going on in Africa. I was aware that this disease was very common in Africa though. I think that you thoroughly paid attention to the video and responded in a well thought out manner. Good job.

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  13. DeAnne Gainey

    While listening to Boghuma Kabien Titanjui’s speech I became immediately interested. As she described her patient Celine, I began to feel selfish. Celine was a housewife in west central Africa who was infected by HIV. She was enrolled in a HIV treatment trial as she took medicines not understanding what they were. I can definitely agree with everything Boghuma spoke about. Why wouldn’t the treatment trial make a consent form that’s understandable to the patient? Although, (as Boghuma said) the standard care treatment is debatable, I believe that the best current treatment worldwide should be used versus the best current treatment in their country. “There are 22 million living people with HIV and 70% of 30 million infected worldwide in Sub-Sarharan Africa”, says Boghuma. I can imagine how these people feel expessically with inefficient research and treatment. There are some people who are most likely to give up and have no hope while others have hope that there might good treatment available soon. I can absolutely agree with Ms. Titanjui when she speaks about ending the research with yet and still, no complete answer to curing HIV. I can imagine how Boghuma felt after she encountered Celine and how she feels as if she wants to help with the HIV treatment.

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    1. I appreciated what you said: "As she described her patient Celine, I began to feel selfish." Its a very good point. Being in a first world country, yes, many may suffer hardships and deal with tragedies and issues and feel like the weight of the world is on their shoulders, but compared to these people, these people in this story, subjected to experimental treatment without being properly informed, we have the power to take advantage of our resources and forget how good we've got it. Troubles are always going to exist, but its not all of life. Focus on the good. Appreciate what you've got. Don't take what you've got for granted. Its an uncertain world and it could be gone the next day.

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  14. (Anna Gleason responding to video)
    I thoroughly enjoyed this speaker and her story. I thought that her points were very well developed. She seemed extremely well-informed, both in the information she shared and the manner in which she shared it. HIV clinical trials in developing third-world countries was never a topic that I reason to pay much attention to, nor was it something that I knew anything about. After hearing this person speak, however, I felt enlightened and more informed to both the political and humanitarian sides of this issue. This woman gave both thoroughly researched and easily defendable viewpoints, as well as a first-hand account of the actions which she was advocating against. She gave both sides of the issue, explaining the benefits of HIV clinical trials in developing third-world countries, but also went on to explain what the problems with them were, and, even more importantly, explained exactly what could and should be done to fix it. Her ideas were obviously very well-thought-out, her solutions practical, and her arguments both humane and constructive.

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    1. This sums it up very well, I think. To be honest it was a little tough for me to give my full attention to the speech, maybe because I was tired or it was too early in the morning but that's beside the point. Once I started to really listen to what she was saying I found it incredible how much knowledge she had. Like you said Anna, " she seemed extremely well-informed". She gave out facts and data as well as told stories about her experiences. I applaud this women for the passion she has for what she does, the passion to help millions of people.

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    2. Rest easy, I assure you this reply isn't one of my mocking criticisms. I agree with your response, and I think that her clear points and facts are what generated a more positive response from our class. I'm impressed with your response, because while most of us delved into the moral positioning of this issue, you managed to find something fresh to touch upon in your response; the mechanics of the way Boghuma Kabisen speaks. Maeve aside, I think most of us can agree that whether or not these things resonate with us is largely dependent on the delivery of the speaker, and I appreciate that you outline what represents the ideal way to present issues.

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    3. Anna, you’ve summed her speech up very well. As Grace said, I also found it hard to pay attention to her. But once I was able to pay attention, the things that she was saying were very important and I feel that there must be more light placed on this topic. “This woman gave both thoroughly researched and easily defendable viewpoints” She sure did, she was able to state many facts about the situation and also used the story of Celine. She was also able to explain to the people what we can do to fix this. By being well-informed and telling the audience the situation so thoroughly, I feel as though there may be a change in the future.

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    4. I respect the fact that you have gained new information that you did not know about. I have also gained information and now try to retain new information on the topic. I feel as if you gave a brief synopsis on her work and presentation. This video made me think outside the box and relate to a lot of other cases in the world. Deep thought is what i thought everyone should have encountered, but don't get me wrong i agree with your comments, facts and opinions because i had some of the same ideas. this video made me realize a little more.

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    5. Meghan’s response to Anna

      I felt the same way at first when I watched the video. I realized that HIV clinical trials were something I was not really paying much attention too. My knowledge about these trials definitely grew while listening to Boghuma Kabisen Titanji speech. She was extremely educated about these trials and was able to state specific facts and details about these trials and countries. The way that Boghuma organized her speech made it easy to follow along with. By clearly pointing out the positives/negatives of the trials and what steps she felt would help fix the faults in the treatments, it was easy for me to know exactly what she was trying to get across. There was no interpreting I had to do with her speech. She was very straight forward.

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    6. I agree with everything you have said. I found this video to be incredibly informative on a subject I really don't know much about, and I am now very compelled to research about the topic more. I feel that for all the awareness that HIV and AIDS have gotten, it still is not nearly enough, especially for such a damaging and terrible disease. And to see this side of the story is even more shocking. I don't really understand why more light hasn't been shed on this aspect of the battle against HIV and AIDS.

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    BCC: recipientsYou Show Details FROM:Aaron Scott TO:Ms. Parker Message starred Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:11 PM In the story of Celine when the speaker mentioned that “ [Celine] told [her] that she stopped coming to the clinic when the trial ended because she had no money for the bus fare and was too ill to walk the 35-kilometer distance… during the clinical trial, she'd been given all her antiretroviral drugs free of charge, and her transportation costs had been covered by the research funds. And when the trial was completed, leaving Celine with no alternatives.” Just thinking of that had freighted me because consent is given to be part of this trial or maybe be part of a high-profile scientific journal, and when it ends you’ll have no more support no more medication to prevent the illness and no to transportation to get it, even though that trial may have saved other lives. It’s like she was used because during the trial she was give the medication and when it ended she was kicked to the side of the road as if she was trash. A human being shouldn’t be treated that way. Many, but not all in a high position of power look pass that and show no compassion until they experience that same situation or when many people taunt them about the injustice putting their position of power at risk.

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  16. Quinton Smith
    This is very touching. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji says a lot in her speaking that caught my attention. When she talks about the woman who was getting the treatments, it really surprised me how oblivious she was of the study that she was a part of. When she asked how it went she had no idea what she was talking about, but she knew she couldn’t afford bus fare after the studies funding was over. I didn’t know that people could get free treatments for AIDS. I thought it was just Magic Johnson and another select few.
    Growing up I thought only black people could get AIDS because we were the only race that hadn’t developed immunity to it. It’s crazy how the media can brainwash into thinking something so ignorant. After watching the videos of the little African kids sitting in dirt outside of their mud huts with the flies crawling over their faces on the AIDS donation commercials on TV I just assumed, I felt like someone white with the disease was like a black person living in an Amish community. It’s frustrating because most people won’t take the time to actually help contribute to the study of a disease that kills so many. We usually sob for a moment, then turn the other way and continue living our lives. Ishy Astro’s breakfast freestyle has twice as many views as this video does. That says a lot. He’s dope, but he’s still somewhat local. This disease is world wide

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    1. Technically I've already done my two responses but I couldn't not say something. This is great Quinton. It really is.

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    2. I agree with Quinton! The point he made about the Ishy Astro’s video was very good. Honestly when I first watched the video I just assumed that it would have quite a few views because it was on such an important topic that affects the entire world. The fact that a video of a local rap artist (yeah Josh is great) could have more views speaks to the way the internet as become more for entertainment and social media than for news. “I felt like someone white with the disease was like a black person living in an Amish community.” I found this comment very funny but also slightly sad.

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      Sam, I feel exactly the same way; when I first read this comment, I laughed because of all the funny references, but then after thinking about it for a little while, everything said was unfortunately true. The importance placed on such a devastating disease is far too little in comparison to the importance placed on social media and other related areas. These fatal and easily transmitted diseases should receive better public awareness for I think that it what it will take for any sort of changes to be made.

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  17. Ashley Lawson

    It’s hard to say that the patients who want to participate in the clinical trials need to be able to read consent forms because like Boghuma Kabisen Titanji mentions, many of them feel that they have no other choice. Why? Many people who are infected in these developing countries are not able to afford additional or separate medical attention. “… where a lot of participants consent to research because they believe it is the only way in which they can receive medical care or other benefits.” If the trials are free, regardless of what they may contain and regardless if they can read the consent form, those infected are going to take that chance, especially because it is a matter of life and death. She also mentions, “Is it fair to evaluate a treatment regimen which may not be affordable or accessible to the study participants once the research has been completed?” Unfortunately, that is what a trial is, and how are they supposed to discover things without participants? It goes back to the statement I made earlier, even if people knew they weren’t going to be able to afford treatment after the trial, would they still have consented? Yes, probably. People tend to make rash decisions when they are faced with life or death situations.

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      I think you have a point in that people who are very sick and are offered any chance to get better will take it even if they don’t know or understand the details of the trial. However, I think the biggest point that Titanji is trying to make is how immoral these clinical trials are. She is trying to call attention to the terrible mistreatment of the patients and asking people to stand behind her and try and change the way clinical trials are ran. Of course, people are going to agree to something that will make them feel better, but shame on those people who suddenly rip the treatment and healthcare out from under the suffering, vulnerable people.

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    2. I think Ashley made a valid point. It's unfair to to take a advantage of people who, one don't truly know what they're consenting to and two, don't know everything there is about the clinical trial that they are apart of. I liked the quotes that she added because they were a strong support for her opinions. They only thing that I don't agree is Ashley's last statement, these people obviously don't speak good English if any at all and they are clearly being taken advantage of. It they knew everything there was that came with trial, I don't think that they would still consent.

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    3. I completely agree with what Erin and Becky said, the main focus is the trials themselves and what they mainly contain. I feel like the people are being mistreated and tricked into the trials and used almost like lab rats. However, I still stand by what I said as far as the decisions people make when faced with life or death. The point I am trying to make is that those infected have something to look forward to with these trials, they have a little bit of hope. As human beings, our instinct is to do what it takes to survive.

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  18. Kaisean's Response:
    I really enjoyed her speech and the points she made about the treatment of HIV an AIDS. How Celine had to make sacrifices to and stop her treatment due to money and issues and her way of living. Even in other countries, Currency is not really a common thing in most countries and treatment seems too expensive to continue with. What shocked me even more is the refusal of any knowledge about the trials and the treatment procedure. She couldn't tell about anything because rarely knew anything.She really covered a big topic that had a general solution, and the best way of getting it across was through a story of reality.

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    1. I agree with Kaisean. I was suprised that she had such little knowledge about the treatments that she was recieving. If anything they could have been injecting her with poison and she wouldnt even have known. when you said "the best way of getting it across was through a story of reality." You made a good point because even though they treated her like a lab rat, its still harsh reality.

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  19. This story evoked many emotions in me while listening to and reading it. I was very perplexed by the actions of those involved with this clinical trial. I can’t believe people in under-developed countries who suffer every day from terrible diseases such as HIV and malaria are used almost as guinea pigs. They are teased with treatment for a period of time, but when the research period is over all their hope and desires to get better come to a screeching halt because they might not have the money to continue to get treatment, or they are too sick to walk to a treatment center, like Celine. It is a shame. I find it very disturbing that this goes on in many different countries. I certainly agree with Boghuma Kabisen Titanji’s opinions of the clinical trials being performed in Sub-Saharan Africa. I think it is incredibly sickening that these trials “… take an unfair advantage of those who are already most affected by the pandemic.” It is even more sickening that these victims of these diseases agree to these trials, without really understanding the procedures, because they feel it is their last chance to receive medical care. There should be other forms of medical care available to them that don’t suddenly end one day because the research is over. What Boghuma Kabisen Titanji envisions for the future of clinical trials is very clear and makes a ton of sense. She wants the program to become ethical and not just scientific research. These people are being treated like animals. I feel that through informed consent, standard of care, ethical review of research and what precedes the trial the clinical trials will be much more ethical and appealing to everyone. In the last little bit of her speech, I feel that one statement really sums up the message of the story. “If you are a researcher, I hold you to a higher standard of moral conscience, to remain ethical in your research, and not compromise human welfare in your search for answers.” I found this story very insightful.

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    1. I totally agree with you Becky. When you stated "I can’t believe people in under-developed countries who suffer every day from terrible diseases such as HIV and malaria are used almost as guinea pigs." it pulled at my heart strings. To think that a group of people searching for way to help people could be so inhumane. they leave these people desolate and to fend for themselves. I like quote from the speech you incorporated it truly embodies the message Boghuma Kabisen Titanji was trying to convey.

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  20. I wish more people would focus on what Boghuma Kabisen Titanji is trying to get across and not her accent, her personality, or whether the speech was boring or not. This video is not posted for our entertainment. It’s posted to draw attention to a very important issue. It’s sad that so many people aren’t aware of the most horrific events going on in the world. HIV/ AIDS is a serious matter, and although none of us may have it, we should still be mindful of the fact that millions of people are suffering from this disease and are not capable of getting the treatment they need. Titanji’s encounter with Celine changed the way she looked at this issue. She’s taken matters into her own hands and explored the many HIV clinical trials. Living in America, we don’t see what happens in other developing countries. People are being taken advantage of because researchers are well aware that these people would do anything for some sort of treatment, even if they know absolutely nothing about them. Titanji urges all of us to help in some way. I’m almost 100% positive that none of us are going to personally walk into clinics and demand better research that is “ethically sound.” The least we can do is watch the video, and take the time to listen to what she’s saying. We should stop being selfish, and respect every word she has to say and not comment on how we’d rather watch something else. I’m sure that people, such as Celine, would rather be doing something else also.

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    1. I agree completely with Gabi. I think that we should appreciate the life we live because there are many worse things that are happening around the world. These Ted vidoes have definitely opened my eyes about a lot of things. We don't realize that there are many countries in the world that don't even have health care. I don't think people are concerned about AIDS and HIV like they used to be. I think that AIDS and HIV is more avoidable in America than it is in other places around the world. America has many ways of contraception unlike the impoverished areas of Africa. Boghuma Kabisen's speech was very factual and she brought up the importance of a very serious topic.

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    2. I agree with Gabi. When I responded to this yesterday I was really hoping to see some thoughtful responses to this. Some responses are, but others.... Honestly, I'm not sure what some of our peers expect. If the speakers bounded onto a stage and pranced about cheerily shouting about the issues, I highly doubt there would be satisfaction or comprehension, just another excuse to avoid thinking about the actual problem being talked about, or a shortcut to the 200 word mark. Worse still, is that its not like this issue is as foreign to us as the deaths of a lot of people because of impending war. Rochester is actually a leader in HIV in people our age. That is to say, this small area of the entire united states is known for its youth having a high concentration of HIV. Maybe in order to raise awareness our health teachers should present it in a way that can hold our short unforgiving attentions. In case its missed, that last line is sarcastic. God forbid we just pay attention. God forbid.

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    3. Honestly at first I did focus on her accent and how I just could not pay attention to what she was saying. I was going to write my blog post about how I wasn’t engaged in it because of the speaker. But I decided to re-watch it, read the transcript and looked into the situation a little more. I then was able to conclude that it isn’t about how she is telling it to us, but the content of what she is saying. I completely agree with you, “This video is not posted for our entertainment. It’s posted to draw attention to a very important issue” I’m glad that I was able to re-watch her speech and be opened to something that I have never known about and of course I was able to re-write my blog post.

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  21. Donald says:
    As I listen to "Remaining Ethical in the Search for the Cure: Boghuma Kabisen Titanji" I feel I sense of hatred and remorse. The speaker Boghuma Kabisen Titanji speaks on clinical trials in poor countries. She makes strong remarks on how they use people who are not well educated and limited to health care. I personally feel strongly against the treatment of people like lab rats even if it’s for a good cause. Every human being should be treated equal and have the same basic rights. She also mentioned how once companies get the information they need, the company stops treating the patient and moves on to something else. It amazes me how companies can be so heartless, after they get the information they need to make a cure or a vaccine. The companies should at least make sure the people in their clinical trial receive the necessary medications for free. This situation is similar to “The Legacy of Tuskegee” how they gave drugs to black people in a low income poor community that was supposed to treat syphilis but instead it just made them sicker. It shows that people only do stuff that benefits them or what they are working on.

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    1. Donald definitely brought up some really good points and I agree with everything he said. I do not think that people should be treated like lab rats. They need to give them the proper care and treatment that they need to survive. I also think it is ridiculous that the companies abandon the patients after they get the information they need why wouldn't they at least make sure their patients are okay afterwards? I like how Donald connected this to The Legacy of Tuskegee because I immediately thought about this when Boghuma Kabisen Titanji started talking about the clinical trials.

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  22. Taquaan says:

    After seeing “Remaining Ethical in the Search for the Cure: Boghuma Kabisen Titanji at TED I felt that the speaker mention very important details and statements that made a lot of sense. To start off the fact that the help group left woman Celine abandoned after the work was finished was morally wrong and unfair as The speaker mentioned, another valid point that was mas made was the issue over the cost of the treatment and how people of an under developed country wouldn’t be able to pay for the treatment making it unfair and actually cruel in a way to provide help with a people and take it away. In addition Africa contains 70% of the world’s population of infected People with HIV if assistance s to be provided it should be to reduce or help the situation, if you compare this to to any crime that mas genocide that has happened there is no difference in allowing disease run rapid, than allowing the massacre of people as in Rwanda. Overall, I believe this woman made a great point the help that is provided by research groups should be more thought out and more helpful in the long run.

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  23. Linai Weatherspoon

    Right off hand Kabisen starts with a story/experience. Points made to connect with the audience emotionally; Celine stopped going to the clinic because she could not afford bus fare. I always felt when a sympathetic story or experience is being told the speaker is looking for the listeners to feel sorrow and pity to comfort and pay attention. I feel as if research facilities use people for their own benefit, I feel as if Celine was a test rat to see how she would react to the medicines they “TESTED” on her. She is very informational and I like the fact she has slides and percent and numbers to show her statics. But she agrees with my opinion quote. “How then can we ensure that, in our search for the cure, we do not take an unfair advantage of those who are already most affected by the pandemic?” Her plan is smart and strategic that consists of four points, I love the first point informed consent, meaning that the person being tested will know what’s happening and understand at their own risk. Next standard of care it matters that people participating should be taken care of properly no excuses. Something important thought is research facilities need to do more research and review ethical values to know what they are working with. Just like a high school student we cannot complete a writing assignment or a project without doing research on our topic given it would be pointless if we didn’t have the right tools. Help after trials needs to continue as well, I agree with Kabisen. My last opinion on this video brought a thought to my head; the government is very oblique and sends us subliminal messages about everything through commercials, our necessities, needs and wants. I feel as if they hide the important stuff from us but once again as I stated the government consist of power, money and greed that is all they care about how they are going to make their next quick dollar. I have once been told that aids/ HIV are manmade diseases that the government distributed to mankind, now personally I believe so because the government is sneaky, conniving and heartless. What is section 7? Nobody knows that’s top secret stuff. Why is the government messing with things they shouldn’t be messing with? I don’t know but that certainly does affect us. So my ending result is research facilities are another one of the government subliminal schemes and nobody takes the time to hear about it until something devastating happens and that’s a damn shame!

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  24. Ty Adams

    I’m so glad that Boghuma Kabisen brought light to the very important topic of HIV and AIDS. I feel like the disease has been overlooked by many (especially youth our age) and listening to this story hopefully enlightened some, and educated others. With more and more teens at younger ages becoming sexually active nowadays, I feel like many should’ve taken this video seriously, and actually been thankful that they don’t have HIV. But anyway, I’m so happy with the fact that Kabisen expanded upon the topic of clinical trials, because many people, not just in Africa, but in impoverished areas in the US as well, don’t understand the treatment they’re going through when it comes to the disease they have. I totally agree with the fact that better committee’s and leadership in these developing countries, is needed to better the process in which people are educated about their specific disease, and how they will be treated. In my eyes it’s just like certain people who are diagnosed with cancer. Their clinical trials are very intense with radiation, chemotherapy and all, and half of the time, patients don’t even understand the possible effects of the chemo on their body, or not to mention the toxics that are inside of the chemo that go into their body. As an international society, it seems that we have been raised to trust medical officials, in the fact that they are more educated then ourselves in their field, therefore making them more knowledgeable and helpful when it comes to treating our body’s issues. However, Kabisen shows that this is not true, and that government officials along with medical officials don’t always a patient’s best interest at heart, and as a whole community we need to work on bettering clinical trial processes worldwide. As I am planning on studying pre-med in college, I totally understand why Kabisen believes that this topic is that of grave nature, and I totally understand and agree with its importance.

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    1. Grace LL in response to Ty
      Ty, you bring up a very good point about the overlooking of HIV but how it is so important to be aware of the disease, especially for teenagers these days. We learn about HIV in health class and I remember watching episodes of Degrassi where a character had it, but I don't think we ever really think it could happen to us. I hope that people took this video seriously and felt grateful that they are not one of the million suffering from HIV today. I also agree with the point made about the people being treated are not educated about what the treatment will do to them. This just isn't fair. These poor people suffering from this disease are going to do anything they can to get better, even if they can't read the papers they have to sign! Like you, I totally agree with what Kabisen is doing to support these people and better the treatment processes worldwide.

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    2. Eysa in response to Ty Adams.
      I think you have a great response here Ty; you spoke of her raising awareness and informing us of the clinical trials unlike most others who complained on how the pharmaceutical companies should be responsible for everything. People have to realize that the pharmaceutical companies are businesses and are all about profit. I also agree with you on the fact that local committees and leadership is very important in developing countries such as these sub-Saharan because they need to become more organized and better informed of the HIV virus and the possible treatments out there.

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    3. It's sad that they take advantage of people's illiteracy so they could conduct these trials, because it's all a matter of life and death for these patients. I also agree that we've been raised to look up to medical officials because they know how to treat illnesses in our bodies, we put our full trust in them. Some may think they're doing right by the world by doing these trials but the way they go about these things leaves the patients suffering even more at the end of the day and these misguided or even negligent ethics are totally unacceptable.

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    4. It really is sad. I agreed with what Kaisean had to say it ties into this. I was suprised that she had such little knowledge about the treatments that she was recieving. If anything they could have been injecting her with poison and she wouldnt even have known. He said "the best way of getting it across was through a story of reality." Even though they treated her like a lab rat, its still harsh reality.

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  25. Arieanna Burroughs

    HIV and AIDS is one of the most common diseases in the world. Some people start off unaware that they have been infected until they have been diagnosed by their doctors. Some people are able to afford treatment for this disease, yet a cure still has not been developed. But in places like Africa where AIDS is spreading consistently, people are unable to afford proper treatment.
    Boghuma Kabisen Titanji who is a part of the search for the cure of AIDS talks about the research for the cure. She shares a story about one of her patients named Celine. When she first started talking I wasn’t immediately interested in what she was talking about. AIDS is a disease that is common worldwide and their still hasn’t been a cure. When I hear someone talking about finding a cure or talk about the people who are unable to find proper treatment like what Boghuma Kabisen Titanji was saying,I feel like people aren’t being mindful and aren’t trying as hard as they can to find a cure to not only AIDS but for other diseases like Cancer. What did catch my attention though is when she said her friend basically was left to live with AIDS after her trial of treatment was over. “She’d been given all her antiretroviral drugs free of charge, and her transportation costs had been covered by the research funds. All of these ended once the trial was completed, leaving Celine with no alternatives” - Boghuma Kabisen Titanji. I feel that if treatment is given to someone, they should continue to get treatment and if they don’t have enough money to pay for the treatment then they should receive some kind of Medicare or insurance that will pay for their treatment. She also stated that the proper treatment is mostly given in places that are able to afford it. I think that the same kind of treatment should be given to everyone with this disease or any other disease no matter how much it costs. “How then can we ensure that, in our search for the cure, we do not take an unfair advantage of those who are already most affected by the pandemic?” - Boghuma Kabisen Titanji. She showed that she cared about her patient and her health and also other people in the world who are infected. She was specific though about the ethical group of people. ”For example, it is counterintuitive to have an illiterate study participant, like Celine, sign a lengthy consent form that they are unable to read, let alone understand.” - Boghuma Kabisen Titanji.

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  26. Hannah Z

    Listening to this presentation has taught me a few sad yet interesting facts: I didn't realize how incredibly serious the HIV situation in Sub Saharan Africa is until now, 70% is disproportionately large when comparing African population to that world-wide. I also didn't realize how inhumane some clinical trials could be. When Boghuma Kabisen first described some of the trials I didn't really understand the issue with the trial conduction but when she explained the after-effects of these trials on some of the sick and poor people of Africa, it really helped me understand what the problem is. I do agree with her when she said that trial participants should be able to easily receive similar if not the same care after the trial is over for otherwise it doesn't help the patients in the long run. I also agree with her point on how important it is for patients to understand what they are a part of, what the trial is testing and how it will affect them. I think it was smart of her to end her presentation with a breakdown of what needed to be worked on concerning these trials because it clarified the problem for people who didn't quite understand this issue as well as offered solutions that were easy to understand. This presentation was well thought out and very informative.

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    1. I completely agree with you, especially on the subject of Bighuma Kabisen Titanji's delivery and concise methods of reaching out to her audience. I too, knew very little about the devastating HIV pandemic in Sub-Saharan Africa and the overwhelming numbers of civilians infected with HIV took me by surprise. While listening, I was confused as to why the research in those areas was such a big deal, figuring "well at least they are getting some sort of health care." However, as I continued to watch, I was badly mistaken. Nearly illiterate patients coaxed into signing contracts that would take lawyers to decipher as a means of binding them to inhumane experiments is nothing less than cruel.

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    2. You made a very good point that I didn't see too many people talk about, which is how she broke down her speech. The way she delivered her information was very effective, and her ending summed up the important points. When she first started speaking I knew that she'd be talking about a very important issue. Her ideas were filled with pure facts and made everyone in the audience more aware of this problem. I think every single one of us learned some very valuable information after listening to this.

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  27. Nah’Tivah Ross

    When I first finished watching this video I had somewhat of an idea of what she was talking about, but then again I was absolutely confused. Being to lazy to watch it over again, I sat and thought about what she had said and began to think about things she said that evoked some type of emotion with myself. In my opinion the reason why these clinical studies are being conducted in the poorest parts of Africa is because people already don’t have access to medical care so when an opportunity comes about people take it. The people take this opportunity because they would rather receive some type of treatment rather than none at all. However as she stated the treatment is not sufficient and the patients are not looked after when the treatment has ceased. In class Ms. Parker asked me why wouldn’t they conduct the experiment in Rochester, and it took a two hour long nap to come up with an answer. I would say the reason why these studies are being held in Africa is because those people are less subjugated to civil rights than Americans are. There is no formal government to protect the people as there are here in America so therefore the researchers say “why not study here where there are no rules or regulations”, which is absolutely wrong. Furthermore Celine and many others are being treated like lab rats and are not receiving the best care possible; they are receiving the care that is available because of the area they are resided in. In conclusion I couldn’t believe it when she said that 22 million people were infected with this disease. I think they’re should be a study held in Rochester, hell as far as I’m concerned people here are filthy and disease is spreading faster than the speed of light. I believe that no matter where you live you should receive the best medical care as possible.

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  28. Cindy Truong

    Boghuma Kabisen Titanji’s speech is very informative, after listening to this speech I was able to learn about how serious the HIV situation in Africa is. I never knew about this situation until today and I’m glad she is bringing attention to a matter that must be known. In the speech she describes treatment of HIV in developing countries, stating facts about the millions that are infected and the clinical trials that take place in Africa. I believe that there should more awareness on this topic, the way the people in developing countries are treated is just wrong. It saddens me to know that numerous amounts of people are infected with HIV aren't getting proper treatment and are taken advantage of because of their illiteracy. Some have been tricked into signing long consent forms for which they could neither read nor understand. The part that got me was the ending where she states, “and made me even more determined to be part of the movement to change the way in which things are done. I believe that every single person listening to me tonight can be part of that change." I like the fact that she is trying to make a change and also encourage others to do the same. I feel that it is important to inform people of such events, because if no one knew about it, how could it ever be changed?

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      I agree with Cindy about how informational this actually was. It is very sad and it seems that they do take advantage of people who can’t read, but the point I bring up is that those who are infected probably won’t care what the trial is as long as they have a little bit of hope. They have something to look forward to. In my opinion, I felt that if the trials are free, regardless of what they may contain and regardless if they can read the consent form, those infected are going to take that chance, especially because it is a matter of life and death.

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  29. In this video, Boghuma Kabisen presented a topic that I believe people don’t put enough emphasis on. Although Aids and HIV hasn’t been a huge concern since the 90s in America, I think that there should still be some effort to find a cure for it. When Boghuma Kabisen began to tell of her friend Celine, it showed that this issue was also very personal to her. The clinical trial issue did not surprise me. I think that the clinical trial lost sight of their purpose or motive. I understand that their purpose is to find a cure. The whole point of the trial is to find it so they can cure people, not to just have the information and research for no reason. I think that finishing up their treatment for those people would only be fair. Boghuma brought up a good point about allowing the people to consent to something they didn’t understand. She stated, “Now, in order for a clinical trial to be considered ethically acceptable, participants must be given the relevant information in a way in which they can understand, and must freely consent to participate in the trial.” This was extremely unethical. How can you possibly use these sick innocent people for your research and yet not help them get better. Of course, the people in Africa with AIDS or HIV would agree to any treatment. In fact, it may be the only the treatment they will ever receive depending on the health care provided in their country. Overall, I think the real issue at hand is the providence of health care.

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    1. Also, Boghuma mentions that she helped Celine by finding her a clinic to finish her treatment. I thought that was very thoughtful of her. Although not everyone could have been helped like Celine was helped. This is why this is such an important topic.There are so many people around the world that need health care, whether it be for AIDS/HIV or anything else.

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      When I wrote my first response I completely forgot about the fact that the patients signed documents they couldn’t understand. This fact alone is completely repulsive and it disgusts me that people are using humans as lab rats to try and find a cure. As Jessica stated I was not surprised at all when she stated this, which I also find very sad. As people we are no shocked at the inhumanities of the world because it is so common, it has become a part of daily life which is very disheartening. Furthermore to touch base on the cure for HIV/AIDS, I don’t believe there is a cure, I think we should just leave well enough alone. It would be good if researchers could just find ways to make the effects less painful, however I do not believe there is a cure for AIDS/HIV, some things are just sadly incurable. We need to stop looking for cures to everything and just accept things for what they are. Lastly one day we just might find what we were looking for, and I’m not talking about just a cure maybe something else unimaginable.

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  30. Grace LL
    In response to Boghuma Kabisen Titanji

    When are we going to hear a speaker talk about something good happening in the world?! Granted the fact that studies are being done to help people like Celine be cured of HIV is good, but the fact that the people that need it most can't get it is just horrible. It really hit me when she said there are 22 million people living with HIV in Sub-saharan Africa, this is 70% of the 30 million WORLDWIDE who are infected. My first thought was, this should be the first place treatment is taken to, not just a study but treatment for all these sick people. The whole point of these studies are to find medicines and create cures for HIV, for the thousands of people who suffer from it. It is for the huge amount people in Sub-Saharan Africa who have HIV, so I just think it is really dumb that treatment is only given to those who are part of a scientific study. I also like the point Boghuma Kabisen brings up when she speaks of how these people are giving consent and signing papers with out reading them, because they are not in a language they can understand! This is ridiculous. I'm sure Celine is just one of many who were given treatment under a study and then had to stop treatment once the study is over. I hope Boghuma Kabisen continues to fight for the right of people to be cured of their HIV, even if they can't afford it. If this many people have a disease this serious, the treatment shouldn't just be for science.

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    1. I agree with Grace. The whole point of the trials is to find the cure. If the cure or any helpful treatment is found it should be put to use. These people acquire so much knowledge from all this research and yet they won't put it to good use. I mean, people like Celine were willing to help them with their research, the least they can do is finish their treatment for them. I think that these Boghuma brought up a very serious issue and I hope she continues to speak about it. Maybe one day she'll speak to the right person who will feel inspired to make a change.

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    2. You bring up a good point when you say that the people in sub-Saharan Africa should receive treatment as soon as possible because that number is growing day by day. Those who participate see it as a chance to fight to live because they don't have other treatment available to them. Yet, there's treatment that has worked on others in the rest of the world while they have struggle to pay for their medicine if they can. There's problematic factors on both sides of the government and doctors and voices like Titanji's need to be heard by them if anything's going to be done about it.

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  31. It's unfortunate that a person should have to speak on these issues. Boghuma Titanji, towards the closing of her speech, gives a few ways that listeners can change the way the clinicaltrials are conducted. She speaks to people in funding agencies, citizens of developing countries such as sub-Saharan Africa and, most strikingly, the researchers administering these trials "If you are a researcher, I hold you to a higher standard of moral conscience, to remain ethical in your research, and not compromise human welfare in your search for answers." It would seem common sense for someone who is trying to help a person who is ill, not to put that same person in more danger whilst he/she is assisting them. Don't get me wrong I'm glad that the effort is being made to find a cure for HIV but it just seems unreasonable for a researcher to try and harm and help at the same time. Titanji tell the story of Celine and her experience with a clinical trials. Considering the percentage of people with HIV in sub-Saharan Africa you would be dubious of the exist of any clinics. I commend Boghuma Titanji for bringing the issue to attention to this issue and I hope that since her lecture there have been some steps have been made in order to better the humanity of these trials.

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    1. George @ Elijah

      I’m glad you bring up the subject of morals in your response to Titanji’s speech. I also think it should be common sense that if you are trying to help humanity as a whole it shouldn't have to take the suffering of innocent clinic patients to make that happen. Businesses are always looking to cut corners, but with an issue like this I think it is better to just do it right the first time. These patients are donating their bodies to experimental medicine and while it may help them initially, the effects of these clinics tan be devastating. It is a huge moral issue an I find it sad that people don’t have the common decency to give respect where respect is due and just take care of these clinical patients that are most likely going to help us find one of the most influential cures to disease sense penicillin.

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  32. The speaker’s voice was very surprising and distracted to me. When I first saw this and heard that she was from Africa I expected a completely different voice. She spoke very clear and proper. She sounded like a tape recorded book. As you can see this was very distracting to me. However, once I was able to stop paying attention to her voice and pay more attention to once she was saying I was able to learn a lot from her. The way she gave her information was very similar to a voice over on the news. She mainly gave a bunch of facts and asked very general questions. She didn’t really try to engage the audience’s emotion. She seemed more like a boring infomercial than a speaker.However, I did like that Boghuma Kabisen was discussing, finding a cure for AIDS and HIV. Often people don’t take the time to go into extreme depth about HIV and AIDS like she does. I personally have never heard anything about HIV Prevention Trials. Therefore, hearing how countries go about finding a cure was something new and important to learn. Often we just get, “HIV is a sexual transmitted disease,” “HIV leads to AIDs”, and lastly that there is no cure. Boghuma Kabisen went a step further and gave her audience more insight into both AIDs and HIV.

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    1. Tara to Shamira
      I completely agree Shamira! I became very uninterested toward the end of her speech. It was boring to me and I was so distracted by the end of the video that I realized I wasn't listening to her the entire time. I felt like she was just spitting facts at me. The subject was new for me as well because HIV is just not something we hear about everyday. Even though we don't hear it a lot, I think our society doesn't pay enough attention to HIV and AIDS because it is so widespread. Sometimes I just forget how popular it is.

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    2. I agree with Shamira when she talks about how the speaker’s voice was surprising and distracting. I know we should not only be focusing on this when such a horrific subject is being brought about but it was hard to keep focus throughout when she had such tone. When Shamira elaborated on how the lady was similar to a news report I could not have thought it out any better I found it boring and factual where as Giovanni had a deeper connection with her audience. And when Shamira brought up the fact that she seemed like an infomercial I agreed completely I had no emotional connect with Boghuma Kabisen whatsoever.

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    3. I can completely agree with Shamira. I was distracted with Boghuma’s voice as well but, after I began to pay attention to what she was actually saying, I became interested. It’s unfortunate that we forget how popular HIV and AIDS are until we actually look into it. She did sound like a voice over on the news and sounded like she was stating a lot of facts about HIV and AIDS. She didn’t sound very sincere per say yet, this was an important topic that we as Americans fail to remember because our rate of HIV and AIDS are not as high as Africa’s rate.

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      I also agree with Shamira, when the video first began I was all like WTF, her voice was so distracting. It wasn't until 2-3 minutes into the video that I began to actually absorb what she was talking about. Listening to her discuss this, I felt what she was saying, but at times she lost me because of her voice (again) and also she wasn't very organized with what she was saying. I felt like she was all over the place trying to validate her views and the facts of the inadequate testing that occurs in Africa. However I understand and still feel horrible about the inhumanities occurring in the world.

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  33. In my opinion i think that what she was talking about, showed not only what was happening daily to people but it also showed the struggles that people are having. For the example the patient that she observed, did not have enough money to pay for a cab to pick up her medicine but also she was to weak to even walk from her home to get the medicine. The way she described how she wanted to change the community showed alot of determination, that she wanted to be involved with the goverment. One thing i dont understand is why would the clinic give her the medicine free of charge for a certain period and just charge her out of no where because to me, this sounded like they were sort of just using Celine as a test subject for the medicine

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    1. I can completely agree with Keith as well. For a moment I felt as if Celine was a guinea pig and they just did random tests on her hoping for something to be solved. When the trial ended, and there were still no results and she still had no answers to the HIV cure. By Boghuma’s expression I can also tell her determination to change the HIV recovery process. This video described the struggles that people had and I believe that the amount of money should not determine if you should live or die.

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    2. I agree with everything that Keifer stated. They truly used Celine as a test subject, and it was very wrong to use Celine that way. I understand that doctors have to figure out what works and what doesn't. However, if they need people to fill this need they should at least give them a lifetime supply of medicine. For, with many of the drugs they use on these people, if they were to stop using them, it would drastically affect their lives. This demonstrated not just the problem going on with HIV and AIDS, but the struggles that people go through, as Keith stated.

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  34. Kierra Mealing

    I loved Boghuma Kabisen Titanji’s speech. Her speech was very informative and I learned a lot about HIV and AIDS and the clinical trials. HIV and AIDS are a very important topic because so many people are suffering from this world wide epidemic. This is a serious topic and I think that we shouldn’t be focusing on Boghuma Kabisen Titanji’s accent but on the important facts she presented. I agree with Boghuma Kabisen Titanji when she claimed “we need to generate a working HIV clinical trial in places like Sub-Saharan Africa, where 22 million people live with HIV. “ There are so many people who suffer from this disease and I think it’s ridiculous that they are not receiving the proper treatment. This speech is definitely worth listening to because so many people are unaware of what is going on in different parts of the world. This story should have evoked some kind of emotion from everyone today, I can’t imagine having to go through one of these clinical trials without knowing any details. A better committee’s and leadership in these developing countries, is definitely needed so that people can be better informed about the disease they are suffering from and how they will be treated.

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  35. I found Boghuma Kabisen Titanji’s speech very sad that she even had to talk about this. To me it seemed like a no brainer that a pharmaceutical company would try to give patients in their study the best care possible. Yes its great their doing these studies but it doesn't help anyone if the areas in the world that need the help the most are going to be unable to use the products in which they participated in a study for. I believe that happened to Boghuma's friend Celine was terrible and obviously hit very close to home for her. When she told about how Celine did not know the details of the study or anything else, it shocked me. That the pharmaceutical companies could treat all of these patients and not care about what happened to them after the 18 month trial was over. The fact that the trials wouldn't treat the patients with are much care and respect as they would people form their own country is sickening. The trial should not be to help people in areas were medical care is easily accessible and people can afford it. The help should got to those people that really need it in Sub-Saharan Africa 70 percent of the population has AIDS and HIV. The issue comes down to holding pharmaceutical companies and research trials responsible for the outcome and care of the people in their trial, and not just for the 18 months but for the rest of their lives.

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    1. Eysa aka E-muney in response to da bestie Sam Scheib.
      I totally agree that the way the researchers conducted the trials were very unethical. They should have informed the participants in a way they could understand because most of them were illiterate. I only disagree with you on the fact that the pharmaceutical companies should continue to treat the participants or any other groups of people because it'd defeat the purpose of the company, they're out to make money and produce more forms of treatment. So I believe that the only reason the pharmaceutical companies aren’t continuing treatment because it'd most likely cost them a lot of money considering all the people who have contracted the HIV virus.

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  36. Although this video did not immediately capture my attention such as the first video by Giovanni did, it made a comeback as Boghuma Kabisen Titanji told her story. As I listened, I learned more about HIV clinical trials and was repulsed by what I heard. Although I believe that these trials are meant to produce a good result and be beneficial for the individuals involved, it was hard to think that this was the case as I heard about innocent people that are ill get taken advantage of. One of the issues mentioned in this video is that individuals who took part in the HIV clinical trials that were held in developing countries gave their “informed consent” to participate, but were unable to repeat any of the drugs they were given or communicate to others what they were involved in. Therefore, I disagree with the fact that it was an “informed” consent given by each participant. While each individual did agree to participate, they had no clue what the trial would leave them with at the end of the research, nor did they quite understand the process they were going through. They only knew that they would be receiving treatment for an incurable disease that they possess, and, in all honesty, anyone who desperately needed help would sign up for a program that provided such assistance. Since I agree with Titanji’s statement of the ill participants not knowing enough about the trial or what came after it, I feel as though these people were completely taken advantage of. Titanji states, “in order for a clinical trial to generate valid and widely applicable results, they need to be conducted with large numbers of study participants and preferably on a population with a high incidence of new HIV infections.” To me, this sounds as though people infected with HIV are being used as guinea pigs. Similar to scientists finding the animal that fits their needs for an experiment, those involved in HIV clinical trials in developing countries fit the profile needed for the trials to be successful. Though I understand the reasoning behind making this profile, the process of finding locations and individuals that match the requirements comes off as uncaring. It seems all professional, as if the only care people have for the participants is only put forth in order to have successful research instead of caring about the actual health of each human being. Overall, I think HIV clinical trials can be beneficial if changes such as the ones listed by Titanji are made. Otherwise, I don’t see my support going towards this program any time soon.

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  37. Tara's response.
    At the beginning of the speech Boghuma Kabisen Titanji had my attention. As I was listening to her story about Celine I was very intrigued because I had never heard of anything like it. I was not aware that trials like these were taking place where people like Celine had little to no knowledge at all about the trial. I think it is horrible and completely wrong that they would ask someone who is illiterate to agree to participate in something like this. Programs like these should definitely be more supervised. I knew HIV was very common in Africa prior to watching this video but I never knew how intense it was there. It shocked me when she said, “Sub-Saharan Africa largely fits this description, with 22 million people living with HIV, an estimated 70 percent of the 30 million people who are infected worldwide.” I thought she knew her facts and arguments very well, but as the video went on, I slowly lost interest to the point where I had to restart the video several times to figure out what she was talking about again. It’s not that she was boring, I just felt like I couldn't relate to what she was saying and I was uninterested in the subject.

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    1. I agree with you Tara when you said that you were intrigued because you had never heard anything like this story before. I felt the same way. I didn't know that these clinical trials were taking place under these terrible conditions. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji definitely knew and presented her facts very well but i don't understand how or why you began to lose interest. I feel like everyone should give a topic like this their attention even if they feel like they cant relate this topic is serious and everyone should try to listen and raise awareness.

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      I think you are absolutely right Kierra, this topic is very important and attention worthy. Personally I thought that Boghuma presented all the facts in ways that were easy to understand and therefore easy to follow. I can sort of understand how it's be easy to lose interest after the first parts but I think that that is the issue in the first place, the fact that not enough people are tuning in to the subject. The best thing for this issue is high exposure and the only way that can happen is if people are made aware (as Kierra just said) and people get involved.

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    3. I also was not aware that trails such as these were taking lace and people like Celine had not idea or knowledge of what they were getting their selves into. Its kind of irritating knowing that the people that host these trails live among us. I was also agree with Tara. I was aware that HIV was very common in Africa, but I clearly wasn't that aware to know that in Sub-Saharan Africa there are 22 million people living with HIV. It makes me wonder what are these trails doing if they are not helping the people.

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      I also agree with our lack of knowledge on the trails such as the one Celine who was completely unaware and had not a thought of what was happening. When I think of how people such as Celine were taken advantage of… I became a little frustrated and wanted answers, that I knew I could not have. I will also agree with Tara, on my awareness of the HIV virus and its large percentage in Africa, but I had no idea on how many (as in numbers) there were. Gaining knowledge on how Africa holds 22 million people which is only out of 30 million people… scares me. I have began to question these trials… and what they stand for if more and more civilians are becoming infected.

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  38. This was an extremely eye-opening talk. I have read articles and seen news stories about HIV treatment and how much of an epidemic HIV is in Africa, but I had never thought about this side of the story. The situation that Kabisen describes is absolutely heartbreaking. It's almost as if the organizations that are providing these trials are teasing the people who take part in them, treating them for a limited amount of time. I was confused about the motives behind these organizations that try and find the cure for HIV. If they are concerned so much with saving people, why are they so neglectful towards their former trial participants? It seems obvious that they would continue treatment beyond the trials, which makes me skeptical of what these organizations really want. Could they just be in it for the money they'll make once they find a cure? Who knows. I'll stop before I start making conspiracy theories.
    I like Kabisens ideas about ethical review. I think this process could be applied to a lot of other procedures and legal actions, not just in the medical field.
    I was very disturbed when Kabisen began talking about how richer countries exploit poorer ones, but I was not at all surprised. I'm left thinking about how many other situations our country has been a part of that are similar to this one, and exactly how many countries we have exploited.

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    1. I also felt really surprised by her talk. I've definitely heard about HIV studies before, but something about her tone and the words she used really brought something up that got me really into it. and I definitely agree with yours and her views on ethical review, I feel that this speech was definitely a step up from the last one.

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  39. In this TED talk Boghuma Kabisen Titanji talked about two issues her native country Africa and other third world countries face. These issues are those of the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the fact that of medical test groups using naïve citizens. It is heart breaking that they target people who truly need the help they are providing an manipulate them. Most of the test subjects have no idea what the study actually consists of. Titanji told a story of a friend she had made named Celine. Celine was diagnosed with HIV and was apart of a test group she received treatment and her bus fair was taken care of by the clinic. after the trail had been completed Celine had to fend for her-self. She was lucky to find Titanji who helped Celine cover her medical cost. Countless people in these third world countries are not as fortunate.

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    1. Like Brittany stated the way medical test groups use these people is wrong. It is great that they are taking people from third world countries and helping them. However, when you use people as test subjects, that is wrong. They get all of the information they need from the sick HIV infected people and then leave them left to fend for themselves. As we all know many of these people don’t have the necessary recourses or money to help get the treatment the doctors once offered them. Me personally I would not want to get treated by the medical test groups because once you see what the medicine can do for you, you don’t want to live without it. As Brittany pointed out this is what many of the people in the third world countries will wind up experiencing.

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      Brittany spoke on how certain medical test on a specific group of people is wrong. The lines for which it stands are good; however the way it is conducted is terrible. It is frustrating how people are used as “test monkeys” just so they can just do test without giving the proper knowledge to their patience. I will also add on, that the way they leave their patience after they are finished with their research is horrible. The continent of Africa needs to be taken care of and we need to help build it back up, and restore its beauty… but misusing them is not the proper action to start it out.

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  40. George's response

    Boghuma Kabisen Titanji opened my eyes to the common mistreatment of clinical study patients in developing countries. Clinical trials like the ones that Titanji speaks about are productive ways to study diseases like HIV/AIDS, the effects on patients in these trials come in a mixed bag.The patients in these clinical studies often are unfamiliar with western medicine, leaving them at the mercy of the medical companies after they have signed consent forms which they may not even be able to read. While the trials may help slow the progress of the patients disease, the mental and physical consequences after the clinic is over may produce more harm to the patient then if they had never attended a clinic in the first place. The medical companies may succeed in finding new information about the disease but as Titanji said, “it would have done so at a price to hundreds of patients who, like Celine, were left to their own devices once the research had been completed.” The medical companies need to shape up and get their act together to help provide continued care to patients even after their participation in a clinic. Titanji’s points about the importance of both medical and mental support for patients should be used to create the model for a morally sound and long run program that helps patients until they can manage on their own after the trial.

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  41. Eysa Mohamed in response to Boghuma Kabisen Titanaji's TED speech.
    I was immediately hooked and found myself very interested in what Boghuma Kabisen Titanji was informing us. She spoke of one of her patients, Celine who was a former participant in a Pharmaceutical companys HIV research prior to meeting Boghuma. Celine and many others like her were offered treatment, transportation costs were all funded, but as soon as research was complete celine and the others were just left helpless. I do agree with Boghuma, it is definitely unethical and wrong to take advantage of these poor sub-Saharan victims of the HIV virus. I also believe it was wrong of them to offer the participants consent forms when the participants are basically illiterate, not even try to better communicate with them. I do not agree with her that it is the Pharmaceutical company's responsibility to keep further treatment as their research was done there but i do believe they should have atleast tried to offer some local help as Boghuma did for Celine. This speech really opened my eyes to this subject as well, i hope others become aware of this as well and offer support for Boghuma Kabisen Titanji's ethical medical research.

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    1. I agree with Habibi aka Arab aka Young Goodman the III. I like where he pointed out that the people who were doing the research weren't really communicating with the patients. This was very true because the patients were very uneducated especially in these developing countries that didn't have much money to provide for a better education. Along with Habibi aka Arab aka Young Goodman the III i do hope that these videos open peoples eyes and get the facts out there into the world, because they need to be known and its sickening to know stuff like this is happening.

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    2. Right, Eysa. It's not right to just use someone as a test subjects and then leave them without any after-support or follow up. I feel that the companies should take better responsibility for their participants. Being that there are others infected with HIV, they must see froward through their entire end of the deal and continue to help them. More like a commitment thing, you know. The consent froms were really useless for their situation. Education is very scarce in Africa and not many have basic reading skills. I too hope people will become more aware about this. Even the Taskforce (all jokes aside)

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  42. As i was listening to the story being told by Boghuma, it made me think of the previous story told by Janine. In the sense that its something we the people in America and I'm sure in many other parts of the world, are very unaware of. It is just so sickening and disgusting that humans can just be treated like test dummies and no one does anything about it. In my personal experience I've never saw anything on the news that brought up this conflict. Something so important like this that needs to be justified just plays the background and i don't get it. The media is so worried about who's Kim Kardashian's next baby daddy going to be instead of getting the real news out there. I also agreed with Boghuma on the subject of informed consent. I definitely feel like someone should know what there going to be put through before they sign up for something. It's not fair to just leave that out of the picture and care less of the effects that can be brought upon.

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    1. Even though your response to the video was a bit humorous, the part about the media focusing more on “Kim Kardashian’s next baby daddy” providing me with a laugh, I actually really support the argument you made. As I watch the news, I am constantly disappointed by what I hear is being reported. Although I understand that news about celebrity’s is what sells and that this kind of information is what the majority of people wish to hear about, I honestly think promoting this kind of news weakens us as a culture and our intelligence overall. It is not bad to acknowledge celebrity information once in a while, but in general I think people should be more informed on news that improves our mindset and expands our understanding on what is going on in other countries besides our own. I think learning about serious issues such as HIV clinical trials would be much more beneficial than learning about the lives of celebrities, and might also improve Americans opinions and relationships with other cultures and countries around the world. There are much bigger problems in the world than finding out who the next celebrity couple is, and I agree with your thought that it is terrible that human beings are being abused and no one cares to bring attention to the crime because it may cause conflict.

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  43. I actually really enjoyed watching Boghuma Kabisen Titanji speak. Right off the bat I noticed that compared to our last talk, her speech was much more organized and straight forward. She began with an anecdote about her patient, and then went on to tell about the horrific facts and figures concerning the correlation between HIV and parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. The tests these people in underdeveloped societies participate in are conducted completely immorally, which I found quite alarming, especially because I had no idea that this was happening (and felt like an idiot because of it).The first and most persistent thought going through my head was just the complete hypocrisy of it all. Researchers are conducting tests in the one of the most HIV positive parts of the world in order to gain more knowledge and a cure for the disease, and then leaving these people to their own devices. If they're not trying to cure the people who are suffering the most, then who and what are they researching for? What are they doing with the results? I would understand testing people, even without their informed consent, as long as the legitimate goal was to HELP them. I understand it's probably a lot more complex than that, but I don't see why it has to be. If we helped developing countries create happier, healthier societies, with all that research that we gathered by taking advantage of other people, wouldn't that in turn help us all in the long run anyway? There are probably a lot of sociopolitical factors that I'm completely overlooking.
    However, the speaker herself was phenomenal, when all was said and done. I absolutely loved how, in closing, she challenged everyone else to be part of the change instead of passively sympathizing (something we’re all guilty of). She said, "I believe that every single person listening to me tonight can be part of that change. If you are a researcher, I hold you to a higher standard of moral conscience, to remain ethical in your research, and not compromise human welfare in your search for answers. If you work for a funding agency or pharmaceutical company, I challenge you to hold your employers to fund research that is ethically sound. If you come from a developing country like myself, I urge you to hold your government to a more thorough review of the clinical trials which are authorized in your country". While the last talk we watched was touching, it was somewhat detached. This woman told us what we could do as a society with ample resources, from all different facets of society. I don't know about you, but I felt some sort of obligation at the end- not out of pity, but because I felt informed enough on the situation to actually want to do something about it. I found myself wondering where all the compassion for human life had gone. I believe, evoking this reaction was exactly her intention- and a successful one at that.

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    1. Becky Herring in response to Olivia Wood

      I agree with everything you stated in your response! You brought to light many different interpretations of the information Boghuma Kabisen Titanji presented. I especially liked your statement, “If they're not trying to cure the people who are suffering the most, then who and what are they researching for?” I think that if people asked themselves this question before they started these clinical trials, then it would become very clear to them how incredibly immoral this whole thing is. The people in Sub-Saharan Africa are the ones suffering the most from HIV and they are certainly the ones who need it the most. It is so unsettling that people would do this to such vulnerable people!

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    2. Olivia, I completely agree with you on the basic basis that Boghuma Kabisen Titanji was organized and straight forward. I find that too many naive students are distracting themselves from the real problem, directing their attention completely to the speaker stating that it was "boring" or "hard to follow." Someone who speaks solemnly about a personal experience of theirs on stage is not simply going to prance about and smile to entertain their viewers. The attention span of high school students sickens me as they veil and often avoid completely the very meaning of the speech. Wether they choose not to see reality or simply deter their attention to something that they can easily respond to for the sake of a 200 word journalism assignment is beyond me. But you, Olivia, hit the nail on the head with this response.

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  44. Donyel Jackson

    Boghuma Kabisen Titanji's speech about remaining ethical in medical research very much reminded me of the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment of the 1930-1970's.Mainly because of the little knowledge one could have about medical research. She talked about actually informing participants about the research instead of just giving papers for them to sign off on knowing they're barely literate. By hearing some of these things it made me feel like a lot of medical research was initially supposed to be for the greater good but lacked in a lot of areas. I don't want to say that other countries have took advantage of these developing countries with this research but from the it's described it sounds like it. To be informed about this is a great thing, though. People never know how things are really conducted behind the scenes and it makes you want to take action yourself.

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    1. I like your ending sentence "People never know how things are really conducted behind the scenes and it makes you want to take action yourself". I lke this beacuse I can agree that this is something that people may want to do, but in most cases people tend not to do anythng about it. In order to show your understanding of what had been going on in this listening I like how you wrote how this reminded you of the " Tuskegee Syphilis experiment." If someone did not understand the problem tht went on while watching the video or reading I think that you gave a perfect example of something that may help them understand.

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  45. Javaris

    I found this video to be very touching and emotional. I feel that many individuals go through the same situations everyday, as far as not having enough funds to pay for there medications as well as their treatments. After Celine found out that she had HIV and there was not a cure I could only imagen what was going through her mind. The tone in the ladies voice and the way she narrated the story sounded as if she knew Celine on a personal level. I do agree when she said "yes there is a need for us to find a cure for HIV". There are so many people who's lifes have been ruined due to the case of them having HIV. If there was a cure for it then alot of people would have a much better life, and after being cured they may decide to change the lifestyle and decisions they have been making. In the long run better health means a better life.

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    1. I found this video emotional to because her speech really brought information to the world that these type of things happen daily that no one knows about.A statement that i ca agree with is "There are so many people who's lifes have been ruined due to the case of them having HIV".For example, Magic Johnson's(famous NBA player) life was ruined by the HIV virus. People in the 90's and the 80's that played against him were also scared of him because they thought, they could get the disease just by touching him. This eventually caused him to retire earlier than expected.

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      To Javaris I feel the same way, she plays a very important role in the events she reports. People might not understand it, but a lot of people have this very serious illness that they use them as test subject and then drop them. We might not be able to help all the people dying because of the clinical treatment but in the long run there is not much that you can do to porvent this from happening.

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    3. I feel the same, Javaris. This is a touching story that happens to over thousands; even millions every year. The way she described it;you can tell she was very passionate about her speech. There are so many flaws in the treatment process for many illnesses that no one really takes care of. Most people who need the treatment for HIV can't really afford it, but the government doesn't really do anything about. In some countries, the govt. can't do anything about it.

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    4. Javaris, I can only imagine how people persevere with these kinds of things. They live unaware of the effects of serious diseases that they aren't being warned about. Just knowing that there are flaws in the medical research system kind of makes me think about every thing that people in those situations go through. I feel if people are involved in treatments and research they should at least have proper care for taking place in such events.

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    5. I agree with Javaris statement because every day throughout the United States more people are getting HIV. Once most people find out there whole attitude on life change. They may become depress or walk around with vengeance. They do feel if there life is ruined and wont never be the same. In the United States treatments and medications for HIV are fairly easy to get. But the biggest problem people have with HIV in the United States, is the fact of knowing or don’t want to be seen in a clinic that can help save their lives and slow down the disease.

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  46. Amanda
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    While reading the transcript and listening to the speech I did not feel engaged. The speaker rants continuously about how ill-mannered researchers are conducting their affairs, but all in the same monotone. The bigger question is why haven’t developing countries been informed how to prevent HIV? Spending money on research will not stop the reoccurring problem And in my opinion she was filmed inadequately compared to Janine di Giovanni’s speech. The speaker states; "Maybe it would inform clinicians around the world on how to improve on the clinical management of HIV patients. But it would have done so at a price to hundreds of patients who, like Celine, were left to their own devices once the research had been completed." I agree the topic is important as well as the patients well being. It’s not ethical to treat patients and then cut them off their medications, when researchers are through with their bidding, but at the same time we do not live in a utopia. We live in the modern world where people die and suffer every day; simply nagging on will not get your point of view anywhere (that is what social media is for).

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    1. I disagree i feel that if someone puts a persistent message out there they are alerting the public of the topic and raising awareness and really it can only do good rather than harm. I feel she needs to come off as more "nagging" in this speech, after all she wants people to take action! This is an issue where tone of voice should not really matter, thats not whats it's about, it's not a fun topic, it's a serious topic, thus a serious manner and tone of voice. In my opinion thats the only appropriate way to to do it. However i do agree that it's not ethical to cut patients off medications after treating them, if you are going to start, don't stop.

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  47. Leon Lin

    This video was an eye-opener; the brief description given by Boghuma of the clinic trials held in sub-Sahara Africa was an act of cruelty. To take an advantage of people who lack in education is just wrong, but to leave them helpless after medical trials just shows that they have no morals. Performing these clinic trials may not be a bad thing in developing countries but they need to explain everything to the patient so they know what’s going on. Under many terms I do agree to many things that Boghuma stated. When conducting these trials, everything should be planned out, even when the trials are over, they still are patients and treatments should be acquired to them. I believed that if you’re going to start something you must take responsibility for your actions. “…Sub-Saharan Africa largely fits this description, with 22 million people living with HIV…,” with so many people infected by this pandemic just performing clinic trials won’t solve the issue they would need to carried on and provide treatments. When Boghuma stated that “…research conducted in developing countries could never be authorized in richer countries…” was interesting. To know that there is an inequality that these treatments are more available in the richer countries compare to the developing is quite saddening. It just shows that in this society those who have more money possess more power.

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    1. I agree with you. I also feel that this topic is an ey-opener. Many people today do not know alot about this situation and that it is happening to many people. This is the reason that I feel that someone needs to find a cure for this disease. I like how you said "To take an advantage of people who lack in education is just wrong, but to leave them helpless after medical trials just shows that they have no morals." This stands out to me the most because it seems as if alot of this is happening. People could have better lifes if they had better health.

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      I completely agree with Leon on his points about the level of inequality between wealthy nations and developing countries. Large corporations view these trials as just data collection and often don't even realize that they are dealing with real human beings taking part in these trials. Their wealth has made then turn a blind eye to their inhumanity in these trials. In their haste to find a cure for a disease like HIV, these cooperations have overlooked basic patient care that should be necessary in all clinical trials like these. While I would like to think that these trials will hopefully result in a cure, I see no reason why our haste has to mean a compensation of moral standards for a faster cure.

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  48. Meghan Rebholz

    This speech definitely brought awareness to details in HIV treatments happening in different countries that I had no idea about. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji was successful in explaining all the faults within these HIV treatments and also describing the steps in which these faults could be fixed to perfect these treatments. When Boghuma described the situation that Celine was in I began to wonder how people even thought all of these treatments were okay to run in such a fashion. To have people who are living in developing countries, sign up to participate in clinical trials and not even know what is happening during the trial or what will happen once it is done is unfair to these individuals. I feel like it is just taking advantage of the fact that they are sick and poor, and will not deny any type of treatment.
    As Boghuma said, Sub-Saharan Africa is a perfect fit for these trials because there are 22 million people living with HIV, as well as widespread poverty, endemic diseases and inadequate health care systems. The faults in these treatments make me wonder if the goal of these clinical trials is to help the individuals they are doing the trial on, or if it is just to experiment to see if it will help others around the world. Are these people just used as “lab rats”? Maybe I am totally wrong for saying that, but I believe that if the people organizing these trials truly cared about helping cure these sick individuals they would at least tell them all the details for the treatment and also have a plan for them once the trial is over.

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    1. Meghan, you're right to be upset. Would seem as if these people have been treated as lab rats as opposed to human being, not to saying that I condone testing on animals. I think the fact that there are twenty-two million people suffering this disease should be reason enough not to try and hurt more of these same people, tricking them into what could be harmful experiments and then giving them no compensation when the trial is over. I agree that if these researches truly cared they could properly inform their subjects instead of taking advantage of their miseducation.

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    2. While it seems cruel, maybe there is something we do not know because we will not accept it. Perhaps this sort of method is the only way to gain truly effective research on the topic. Maybe theres a lighter side to this.. After all these people are receiving some form of treatment even if it is cut short. Would they get that treatment if not for the experimenting?
      Certainly not, the point i'm trying to make is we are only seeing one side of the story. If we heard the other side maybe our opinion would be changed.

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    3. Meghan, I completely agree with your response to this video. Before watching, I was unaware of what HIV clinical trials were, let alone how they were affecting individuals in developing countries. Like you, I believe that Titanji did a great job at informing her viewers on the faults that are occurring in these trials. In fact, she did such a good job that I wish she could inform the participants of what they are getting themselves into the same way that she informed us and many others. That way, researchers might be able to say that each volunteer gave “informed consent” and have the statement be true rather than a load of crap. As I listened, I also grew incredibly upset by what I heard, and I agree with your statement of it seeming as though the researchers do not truly care for the sick participants and are only using them for their own benefit. They are taking complete advantage of them in order to get what they want, which is ethically wrong on so many levels. I thought it was interesting that you and I have incredibly similar thoughts on this video (both of us comparing the sick participants to lab rats), and overall, I think you have every right in the world to negatively view the process of HIV clinical trials.

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      I understand that there could definitely be another side to this story. The only thing is that I just wish it didn't have to be this way. I wish people were able to organize these treatments in ways that were best for the ones who are ill. All of the faults that Boghuma Kabisen Titanji brought up just make it seem like these trials were not thought through fully. The people that organized it should have had a planned beginning and end for these individuals. Instead I feel like they were just left in the dark. I would like to hear the other side of the story though. It would help me develop my opinion with knowing all the facts about these trials.

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  49. Tyler Collins

    These videos are really showing me how the world in itself is brave just for the careers and experiences people partake in. HIV is such a serious condition, and it takes a lot of courage for a topic such as HIV to be discussed comfortably. 30 million people worldwide as Boghuma states are infected by this sexual disease. The idea of researching for a cure is something I am sure that enlightens victims and families of victims who lost hope. HIV is dangerous for two reasons; It can kill you, and there is still no known cure. HIV doesn’t kill you, AIDS does, but that is the next step. I think of Boghuma and The journalist as modern heroes because they keep the faith and keep it moving though they have no inspiration except what is in their heart and intentions.

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  50. Je Nai
    Watching this video I became somewhat emotionally attached to it. It saddens my heart to know of less fortunate people especially with diseases that don't have enough funds to pay for there medications and treatments. When the doctor acknowledge that her patient Celine had HIV and was unable to get cured; I thought to myself and said that if I was ever to become rich I would help those that are in need.I like to help out especially to those that are less fortunate, and would be grateful for some assistance. The greatest gift is being able to give back and not always looking for something in return.HIV is a Human immunodeficiency virus, a retrovirus that causes AIDS. HIV is moslty found in gay men in New york cityv and in California. 70 percent of 30 million peopple living are said to have HIV in the sub saharan desert. This factual evidence is depressing and makes me feel very fortunate to have my life strength and health.

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    1. I agree with Je Nai. It truly hurt my heart to know that every one can’t get basic health care. Especially when they have HIV like Celine do. It shows that people are all about money, if they can’t make a profit or become famous then they do not want to help or have anything to do with it. It just amazes me that in the sub Saharan desert 70 percent of 30 million people are living with HIV and they cannot get the right treatment and meds. That’s more than twice the United States HIV population. I agree it truly make it depressing.

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  51. Kamicah

    Kabisen immediately tries to bring in the audience by describing an experience she has encounter with a women named Celine. I feel this is important because before you start any form of written or verbal form of speaking you should find a way to reach the audience; and Kabisen tactic was sharing an experience that she had. Although Kabisen speech was very informative, as a reader or a listener I felt some type of sympathy for the Celine and many others that are in her case scenario. Even though Kabisen doesn't bluntly say that many of those people are being treated like minorities she gives the listeners an idea or a picture of how they are being treated. She continues to say that they are being “TESTED” on but don't fully understand what or why they are being treated for. Many of them might know that they are living with a deadly disease but they also don't understand or realize what they are participating in or what their benefiting from these clinical studies. I agree with Kadisen three ways of helping better understanding of these studies.

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    1. I agree with Kimicah because I as well was intrigued in the beginning due to the fascinating story of the woman named Celine. Kabisen had started out with a personal approach but shortly returned to an informative approach to the topic, which can only capture a certain amount of listeners. I disagree with Kimicah because she agreed with Kabisen’s ways of helping listeners understand. I listened to the entire speech and the most information I came out of it with was that she had a funny accent and the fact that there are those less fortunate than us who cannot afford treatment. Kabisen did not elaborate on how those of us at home can make an end to these horrendous things that go on in our world.

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    2. Hahaha I do agree with Maeve on Kabisen's accent; It was very disturbing. But also Kabisen's tone of voice was really boring and annoying. If it wasn't for Kabisen sharing her experience with Celine and the fact that I had to reflect upon her speech I would of stopped listening. But I'm not saying that I don't care about these people being treated as if they were animals but Kabisen's speech wasn't very motivating or encouraging; but it was helpful.

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  53. To be honest when I first listened to the video it felt drained due to the tone of her voice lead me to slumber. Although when I went back and read what she had said it I agree with what she was saying like about how she felt about the treatments. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji talked bout he patient who needed help because she was very ill she had an experimental trial and after it they didn’t help her anymore which led to her getting more ill. Celine, her patient didn’t know what happened during the trails or what she had taken during it. Boghuma Kabisen Titanji also talked about how undeveloped countries are the ones who have HIV and AIDS and how she wishes to help them.

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  54. In response to Meghan

    I understand what you meant by it possibly being used to help other countries around the world and having sub saharan countries being used as lab rats. Even though things seem fine because it's medical research things like this are a big issue. We see so many things on a day to day basis that may cloud our perspective on things or lead us from the truth but maybe with some exposure this will be prevented in the near future.

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  55. from Juwan
    Response to Amanda Saunders
    "The bigger question is why haven’t developing countries been informed how to prevent HIV?" I agree that a cure is the ultimate goal, but before that happens, people need to be taught on how to prevent the disease. It seems like the people are not really entirely aware of the disease until they get diagnosed. If prevention does not take place, it'll continue to spread rapidly and as a result, more people will have to suffer. People that are undiagnosed by the disease need to stay undiagnosed, while those who are already diagnosed infected need proper medical care.

    Response to Jonathan Feliciano
    More awareness on this matter definitely needs to be spread by the media. Being diagnosed with the disease is already hard, but on top of that, they are also being treated as "test dummies" is just simply unacceptable and inhumane. These people's voices must be heard so they can receive help. Personally, I wouldn't have been able to know about this matter in detail if not for this assignment. Others need to hear about this as well, in order for significant change to take place.

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  56. Leon Lin

    In response to Javaris:
    I agree with Javaris completely. The way Boghuma gave her story was very well thought up. It did seem as if Celine and Boghuma were very close friends. This made the speech seems so much more personal, which in return made it easier for her to connect with her audience. When Javaris stated, “…In the long run better health means a better life…,” I believe its true; the only time in life where you can achieve great accomplishments and live life to the fullest is when your health is at its strongest. I also agree that in society there are many individuals who suffer from this illness and without treatments not only is the victims lives are effected but their loved ones are also bearing the burden.



    In response to Quinton:
    I agree with Quinton. In recent years media plays a huge role in influencing society by changing people’s values. The comparison you made about, “…Ishy Astro’s breakfast freestyle has twice as many views as this video does. That says a lot. He’s dope, but he’s still somewhat local. This disease is worldwide…,” was great because it’s funny how pandemic is overlooked by social media. I find it quite sad that people feel that it’s okay that as long it’s not them having HIV or AIDS they shouldn’t care. A huge number of people are infected by these pandemics and yet humanity focuses on the small things.

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  57. From Gabriela

    In response to Olivia.

    I agree with every single statement. After watching this I have so much respect for Titanji. She speaks with such a genuine tone and sophisticated vocabulary that will automatically draw in the audience. As an amazing speaker, she made most of us question these clinics. What really goes on and why do they do it? We all ask the same questions and may never receive an answer. The bigger and most important question is what will we do to try and change this? We are all more than capable of offering some sort of assistance. It's scary not knowing where some things will lead to, especially something as serious as this issue. =

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  58. from Amanda to Donyel
    ManderzAmanda Saunders Ms. Parker Responses to Remaining Ethical in the Search for the Cure 31 January 2013 Responding to Donyel Jackson I completely agree with Donyel about the similarities to the Tuskegee project. The Tuskegee project began in the 1930’s-1970’ toThu 11:27 PM
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    Amanda Saunders

    Responding to Donyel Jackson
    I completely agree with Donyel about the similarities to the Tuskegee project. The Tuskegee project began in the 1930’s-1970’ to attempt to cure syphilis or simply inquire more about the disease. Patients from poverty were used and then left to die practically. Very close in comparison to the HIV research going in South Africa. But it brings forward the question, why are we eighty three years later still not informing patients the risks, or even what medication their being injected with? One can argue time and money play a big role, but if you see your patients as inferior, then you’re not going to treat them like a living breathing being.
    Responding to Olivia
    Reading Olivia’s response gave me insight to see the speech in a more positive view. The ideal to challenge the audience rather than sympathize, shows that she wants a change. While reading Olivia brings forward another good point “If they're not trying to cure the people who are suffering the most, then who and what are they researching for? What are they doing with the results?” In theory their testing to bring in a chunk of change to the drug company's. If a cure was produced by the investment of the drug companies, they could charge heavily for it

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